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The two thoughts are not mutually exclusive.
" I felt constricted by the hardware limitations of the consoles, but PC games don't move units like a console can."
Sigh, what's a guy to do?
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I will defend PC till I pass.

I've been seeing a lot of hate articles over at HardOCP @ Rage and their team.

Never even heard of these guys till articles started popping up about them. By the looks of it, I am aiming @ these guys are pure idiots over @ ID? Rage? Either one.

I lol'd at this though, saying the game is pure garbage.

http://www.hardocp.com/news/2011/10/05/rage_post_day/
You never heard of ID?

wow

your underprivileged

Have you heard of castle wolfenstein? or quake? or doom?

Unless I misinterpreted your post, you need a history lesson...

Here is your first lesson!

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post #53 of 192
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Originally Posted by Mjolnir View Post
The two thoughts are not mutually exclusive.
" I felt constricted by the hardware limitations of the consoles, but PC games don't move units like a console can."
Sigh, what's a guy to do?
Exactly what they did. Make it for Consoles and port to the PC. Then, hope for the best
     
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Why are you so angry at Carmack? He is at least telling us the truth. All the other guys like to pretend like every platform is equal, he is being honest and saying that consoles move more units. He openly admits he could make a much better experience on the PC.

Be angry with the market or the other guys who won't give a straight answer.
+1

Sometimes I think people forget how expensive and time consuming it is to develop a game. Its just not feasible to think that PC is at the fore front of his mind. That he answers to higher authority now.

Him saying he regrets developing for a console earlier is a bit of nostalgia as well. I'm sure having a PC centric mindset is hard to break from.

PC might be ten times more exp but also 10 more expensive if we also factor in the constant upgrade. The upgrade itch is well...you know
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Excuse me for wanting more out of the money I spend on my hardware.

It's not being elitist. It's called wanting to get the most out of my money I spent on the platform I play on. If a dev shows little effort to port the game to the PC, I'll show little effort to buy their game except when it's $5 on steam.

You can defend id/carmack all you want, but the proof is in the pudding. RAGE had a terrible launch and so they blame it on drivers which is a bullox excuse when they've had months to work it out with AMD/Nvidia. Not to mention the lack of graphics settings which a veteran PC developer should know is expected in a PC game.
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Rage sucks, it won't use both my gpu's 100% and nvidia instead of helping they disabled SLi, what the heck!
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People in the PC community are to closed minded. Once it happens it's set in stone. Not saying go play a crappy console port in this message but just stating because they make one console port all games are from the same company are boycotted. Welcome to the recession were all hurting for money, yes even game companies.
The recession isn't an excuse for a game developer to have double standards. One for the consoles, and then a horrifying low standard for the PC port. As I said earlier, if you're going to do a PC version, do it right. Not some half-baked crap. Is it not reasonable to expect that the version of the game I paid good money for is just as good as the version the consoles get?

Also, ID are owned by Zenimax, if you really think they are having cash problems then you clearly don't know much about their situation. Zenimax would throw any money required at ID to fund their projects, because ID have a good record of releasing quality products. Sadly Rage has been a bit of a mixed bag but at the end of the day they created FPS gaming. You really think Zenimax would go cheap on them? Really? Especially when the iDTech 5 engine is going to be in-house only (Zenimax owned studios such as Bethesda). So Zenimax have a LOT invested in ID. So no, the recession is not an excuse.
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Excuse me for wanting more out of the money I spend on my hardware.

It's not being elitist. It's called wanting to get the most out of my money I spent on the platform I play on. If a dev shows little effort to port the game to the PC, I'll show little effort to buy their game except when it's $5 on steam.

You can defend id/carmack all you want, but the proof is in the pudding. RAGE had a terrible launch and so they blame it on drivers which is a bullox excuse when they've had months to work it out with AMD/Nvidia. Not to mention the lack of graphics settings which a veteran PC developer should know is expected in a PC game.
It sucks but just because a niche audience is willing to purchase expensive products doesn't mean it will be supported fully. The fact that they are also available on lower end (higher install base) products make it more compelling to provide them the higher customer satisfaction. If a PC crowd decides to stop buying them they aren't out time and money in the future. Its stupid but...

High-end PC gaming is a small niche comparatively.

I hate it. Oh how I hate it but the markets change and trying to cater t that market is a dying proposition for American developers
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You never heard of ID?

wow

your underprivileged

Have you heard of castle wolfenstein? or quake? or doom?

Unless I misinterpreted your post, you need a history lesson...

Here is your first lesson!
Never heard of Rage. Wasn't sure if Rage was Rage or from ID.

I've heard of ID many times.

Also, Wolfenstein 3D was my first PC game. Couldn't find the disc but it is laying around somewhere. Here is my RTCW though.
Click here
Edited by TwistedMind - 10/7/11 at 10:46pm
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Lets all bow our heads and say a prayer to our almighty, the holy $$$$/Shareholders.
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