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I have to agree. Until everything is plug-n-play, it's just not feasible to expect a n00b to be able to build a rig and get it running properly.

Take me for example and I'm not even a complete n00b: it took me almost 2 months to get everything sorted out just so I could play the copy of Dirt3 that came with my processor. I couldn't get my RAM timings straight, the GPU drivers were buggy and the update didn't come out until 2 weeks ago, and Dirt won't recognize any of my controllers(actual PS2 controller with adapter and a USB copy of a PS2 controller). I had to buy an actual Logitech controller.

People buy consoles because they want to take it out of the box, plug it in and press start. I was so put off by my whole situation that I had completely given up on using this to play anything other than the same old emulators I had been playing.

It will be a LOOOOONG time before PC's steal the light from consoles.
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I still respect Carmack as a developer as he did eventually create one of, if not the greatest game engines of all time (Quake and Modded versions), although I think ID software is still in their 90's mindset when it comes to games and development.

While the PC may not or wasn't as profitable as the console version, it can still be profitable if you take it in the right direction. I believe Valve was in the right mindset when they made a fully working and mod-able game "free", unlike the disaster that Quake Live turned into.


Opinion of QL:

Quake Live was a smart move on it's own, but when you lock content and try to rely on video advertisements and monthly membership fees to pay for servers and development for nothing more than an updated version of a game you released back in 1999, it's sheer idiocy.

I believe the game could gain popularity if they had RAGE like hype/marketing and took Valve's Free 2 Play approach and released the server files. The game already has it's place in e-sports, so that isn't really a problem.
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Carmack is doing what any person would do. Listen to your boss, make the popular game on the popular platform, and collect your check.

Graphics aside, I'm having a lot of fun with Rage.
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I have to agree. Until everything is plug-n-play, it's just not feasible to expect a n00b to be able to build a rig and get it running properly.

Take me for example and I'm not even a complete n00b: it took me almost 2 months to get everything sorted out just so I could play the copy of Dirt3 that came with my processor. I couldn't get my RAM timings straight, the GPU drivers were buggy and the update didn't come out until 2 weeks ago, and Dirt won't recognize any of my controllers(actual PS2 controller with adapter and a USB copy of a PS2 controller). I had to buy an actual Logitech controller.

People buy consoles because they want to take it out of the box, plug it in and press start. I was so put off by my whole situation that I had completely given up on using this to play anything other than the same old emulators I had been playing.

It will be a LOOOOONG time before PC's steal the light from consoles.
It took you 2 months? I don't think the PC was the problem.
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i.D better fix all the damn bugs in the pc release... Glad I only seemed to have wasted 30 bucks on this junk. Either port the game right or dont bother with it... seriously... Hopefully they are working to patch things up and make it playble like the devs did for dead island...
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What do you mean expect the most out of your hardware? People on this forum dont know what they want, they claim they want new revolutionary gfx but cannot put up the initial bugs as with all new engines.
I agree but don't forget, if it does task their hardware too much then its horribly codded/not optimized and needs Patching NOW!

Ya know, I have been gaming on PC and consoles both for years. I come to expect PC games to be buggy or even broke outa the box. It comes with the territory. But console games I still believe should work out of the box with no patches needed no questions asked.
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Don't understand what all the fuss is about. Carmack is making perfect sense here. Plus I've had no issues with Rage at all the game runs perfectly fine on my machine. Don't understand why people are expecting so much just because you are purchasing expensive graphics cards does not mean you are going to be getting full use out them, we are at cycle now of 10 years get used to it because majority of companies aren't even spending much time on PC ports unless you are Valve or Blizzard.
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Not surprised and wouldn't affect any of my buying decisions anyway.

I've already been completely turned off RAGE by much more relevant issues than Carmack's statement of the mostly obvious.
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So devs are putting less effort into making quality PC games and then are going to blame bad sales on piracy or lack of mindless consumerist tendencies on the part of PC players. Awesome, lose lose situation for PC gamers.
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