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all i can same is EPIC FAILED!
 
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The expectancy of the result is just the reason why people put more effort on consoles than PC..
And there should be a expectation simply because the Console is one set piece of Hardware as we all know. No variations. If it works fine on one, no reason it shouldn't work fine on all. So, if testing was done properly, bug fixing shouldn't be necessary by patching after a title goes retail and if they are necessary, you have clear evidence of a lazy careless Dev team/greedy Publisher.

Making a perfect PC game on the other hand...... Not this cut and dry. Not by a long shot.
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post #83 of 192
So... Just because its not the lead platform, that makes it ok to release broken games people pay the same price for. I'm not seeing the logic here.
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So... Just because its not the lead platform, that makes it ok to release broken games people pay the same price for. I'm not seeing the logic here.
No it doesn't. Clearly they dropped the ball. The game has widespread issues across many if not all systems. They had to have known that when it went retail. They took the "its PC we'll fix it later" road. It may not be possible to make it perfect out of the box for every PC but they had to have known it was bunk when it shipped and put it off/didn't care
     
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What they say: It was made for PC in mind.
What they mean: We dumbed it down for consoles.

Imagine if you where to buy a Lamborghini and you got this.


This is how it feels being a master race PC gamer today.
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Carmarck's keynote speech at Quake Con pretty much outlines his view's on game development, hardware, drivers and his hope for the future of code.

It's a tad long but very informative.
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I always had respect for Carmack and truth be told, he cannot avoid the money issue. The console model works for everyone, why shouldn't ID try it? They need to make money at the end of the day so they will code where the cash is.
 
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Agreed.

Plenty of devs have shown if you treat the platform well you will be rewarded ( CD Projekt, indie devs, bethesda, etc )

You have to invest money in order to make money. Whodathunkit?!
Um.. what?! Bethesda are some of the worst offenders when it comes to buggy/broken games and if memory serves me right they're incredibly slow when it comes to acknowledging/fixing them.

Oblivion and Fallout 3 had a lot more wrong with them than a few texture issues and a lack of graphics options when they launched. id at least responded in a timely manner and is planning on fixing their issues.
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Anyone ever consider that the developers aren't so much leaving us as much as we are driving them away? I always see people here jump to point the fingers towards them, but we never look at the habits of our peers that may be causing them to move towards consoles.
I can only agree with that so much. Everyone is acting like it's the total end of id, but in the end, it's up to them to decide if that's really the case or not. If they buy into what everyone is saying about them, then that's on them. This article gives me the sense that that's exactly what's happening, the guys there are buying into the fact that people are saying id and the PC are no more - submitting to all the gripes and whatnot - when it doesn't have to be that way.

Yeah, the start they got off to really couldn't be worse, and people are bashing them left and right, but what do you expect when something like this happens (do you seriously think console gamers would react any differently if they got a game this messed up?) There's still a chance to redeem themselves, and while it might not seem like it will do much now, people will remember it, especially if they approach it the right way (and as of right now, they're doing the EXACT opposite), and only after they do such a thing can they say that "the PC community is driving us away".

If they never do put forth the effort in fixing these problems, however, then it's them leaving the PC, not us driving them away.
 
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I have a serious, big boy, question: Why is everyone raging about Carmack? (No pun intended)
I'm pretty sure he doesn't make all the decisions himself, there is most likely a board that has to approve of anything he does, HE may want to lead in the PC field, but the board would want to make money, therefore forcing him to do certain things, like lead in the PS3 and not worry about the PC version. Now this doesn't stop him from sending out comments like this one and others but still.
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