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Very well said.

I would just like to add that piracy is technically not "stealing" (note that I am NOT saying that I think its OK in any way). This goes along with the "every illegal download is a lost sale" fallacy. Stealing would mean that the party that originally had whatever was stolen no longer has it in their posession. Piracy is copying without permission, not stealing. The people who pirate games with absolutely no intention of buying if they are unable to pirate do not hurt the company at all. Stealing a candy bar would hurt the candy bar company because that is a physical good that now cannot be sold to someone else.

Also, I wonder how much money they put into developing and maintaining the DRM, especially this kind since they need dedicated servers and connections. I also wonder how much better games would be if they put that money towards the actual game instead of stupid DRM. Perhaps it would make the game better enough to get more people to buy it, instead of making the game worse (or even unplayable) and detering people from buying it?


Oh one more thing.
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There is no amount of fine tuning that would make this system 100%. And if it's not 100% there's no point.
The only way to have DRM pull in those very few pirates who would consider buying the game if they cant pirate it would be to make it 100% un-pirateable. The only real way to do that is to restrict it physically, such as only being able to play it at one of their stores, as anything on software can be cracked eventually. That way they can physically control who plays the game and who doesn't. Obviously that would cost way too much to implement and deter way too many people from buying it, but really it seems like the direction everything is headed in.

If Microsoft can't make Windows uncrackable, what hope do these tiny (by comparison) game companies have?
Edited by mad0314 - 10/9/11 at 1:49am
    
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Where did I say you were? I said I "bet", meaning that I'm taking a chance.



Why can't I debate your opinion with mine? If you don't want to subject your opinion to a mass of people, don't speak it. I'm just as entitled as you to speak an opinion.



Minecraft is coded in a fashion that every release introduces a new problem, a new inefficiency, and another version of a broken game that requires a few vacations in-between to make minor fixes.

If Minecraft is worth nearly 25-30 CAD for a half arse slab together of someone else's' original take on a game, then Crysis, a game that works out of the box, is definitely worth 60 CAD. Likewise, considering the quality of STALKER, definitely worth it.
Yes you took a chance and were wrong. Own up to it. I don't hack either and I'm offended that it gets insinuated that I do if I oppose DRM. If you don't know me then don't guess things about me.

Sure you can debate with an opinion. My opinion was the DRM does not work. Yours was that if I oppose it you "bet" that I hack. Grow up.
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The tone you are using with myself and other OCN members that oppose your opinion, you act as if we are pirates ourselves.
You must be mistaken, as it is very hard to distinguish tone over text based communication. I'm sorry you took it the wrong way, but it was not implied. Your mistake. Now stop going off-topic.

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Its not that I cannot afford the internet its not available to me to pay for! READ! Also, you seem to have a incredible lack of knowledge concerning Satellite ISP's.
One of my old close friends were on it. They were able to.

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Look around OCN. It is not successful!
Still waiting for the quote where I said it was. Stop putting words in my mouth.

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I will not adopt.
Tough luck then.

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Which is the same thing as saying DRM is having a positive effect. Because if it wasn't, it would be reducing the profits made by developers. That is going by your logic.
By my logic, I'm going to break down the English language for you. I'll start microscopically, going over each sentence separately and then with a macroscopic, or overall picture, of what the message implied.

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Do you even know how much game developers make? DRM is being used so that companies can actually make a profit on their game or improve their standard of living. Economics 101.
The first sentence is concerning a question. I'm asking if you know how much developers earn while they develop the game.

This can range anywhere from 30-60 thousand a year, depending on their purpose in the project and the size of the team. This was said in a pathos tone, or appealing to your emotions. DRM's focus, or their main goal, is to protect their assets and give more funds to the team. This in turn can give positive effects, either better investments as the project returned more revenue, bonuses, and or their employment for the next job. Pirates take this away from the developers.

Not a single sentence states that it was success, but rather appeal to your emotions that these people are trying to make ends meat by developing DRM to protect themselves. If some jack arse feels they deserve a free game, then so be it, the consumer will continue to hurt because of people like this, not because of the company. Like they say, the rotten apple ruins the whole bunch.

I'm sorry you mistaken my post, but please don't jump to assumptions.

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Yes you took a chance and were wrong. Own up to it. I don't hack either and I'm offended that it gets insinuated that I do if I oppose DRM. If you don't know me then don't guess things about me.
Again, didn't say you were.

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This goes along with the "every illegal download is a lost sale" fallacy.
If I jack your internet over wifi, is that considered stealing if you are paying for the service? I'm not actually taking anything from you.

It is very sad you guys have no idea what you are talking about and continue to destroy the PC gaming environment.
Edited by Domino - 10/9/11 at 9:54am
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If I jack your internet over wifi, is that considered stealing if you are paying for the service? I'm not actually taking anything from you.

It is very sad you guys have no idea what you are talking about and continue to destroy the PC gaming environment.
Your reasoning is still wrong.In this case , the wifi bandwidth is split.Piracy does not affect the legitimate user.DRM does.

Edit:Oh and when you pay for games , you are not obtaining a license for a service....yet.

Again , both sides can put up good arguments against each other , too bad it would be about as inconclusive as the subject of paying massive sums of money for art.The most logical conclusion from the point of the end user is that piracy would only counter-project their sales expectations , which i believe was said by another OCN user.
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Well I got a response and so far it seems nothing is set in stone.

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Dear Maxxa(changed for obvious reasons),

Thanks for your email and your support of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. project. To let you know, the idea of implementing DRM came in as a possible anti-piracy solution. You know the severe level of commercial piracy we have here in ex-USSR region. This said however, there is no firm decision to go for DRM with S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 as of now. Be assured, we do realize how uncomfortable this solution is for the players, so we’ll continue looking for most effective, yet acceptable for all, way of protecting the game by the time of its release.

Sincerely,

Oleg Yavorsky
PR Director
GSC Game World
So there you have it, thanks ex-USSR... lol jk but they are aware and I suppose that is important.
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Usually what companies did back in 2004, is they would put cd checks in the USA version of the game and put starforce in the russian version. This was even so more tolerated since starforce is made by a russian company. There are many examples of games that differ in protection based on region.

What we might end up seeing is something like the Russian/Asian version having always on DRM, and then the US/UK version having some other DRM like activation or something else. In other words this news may only relate to the Russian version that a lot of us would find in the USA/UK stores.

Let's wait it out before we hang em out to dry.. We need more details from them. Also is THQ publishing stalker 2 like they did with Stalker 1? THQ usually uses Steam as their protection as noted on space marine, darksiders, WH40k retribution and homefront.. maybee the same applies here?
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