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I don't know... AMD is pretty hush hush about it.

With Llano they at least demo'ed it beating SB, because it could beat SB... Those "demos" as JF likes to call them were running benchmark programs, there is a video of it on youtube... Video was uploaded about 3 months before Llano released.

The only thing AMD is releasing on Bulldozer is the fact that it doesn't have a cold bug and clocks like netburst.

All the leaks show the cores performing like netburst, tons of MHz, but not a lot gets done.

The "demos" we've seen from AMD on bulldozer have all been about LN2, no benchmarks. They did a demo of it running two 6990's with triple portrait screens while using LN2... Why, I dunno...
    
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I'd go with BD being thuban with a couple of extra cores and more L3 cache
Except that Thuban currently seems to have a better IPC, so the architecture can't be that related.

Note: keyword here is SEEMS TO, not "does".
 
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I don't know... AMD is pretty hush hush about it.

With Llano they at least demo'ed it beating SB, because it could beat SB... Those "demos" as JF likes to call them were running benchmark programs, there is a video of it on youtube... Video was uploaded about 3 months before Llano released.

The only thing AMD is releasing on Bulldozer is the fact that it doesn't have a cold bug and clocks like netburst.

All the leaks show the cores performing like netburst, tons of MHz, but not a lot gets done.

The "demos" we've seen from AMD on bulldozer have all been about LN2, no benchmarks. They did a demo of it running two 6990's with triple portrait screens while using LN2... Why, I dunno...
I think all the signs point to BD not having very good IPC at all. But I guess we'll find out for sure in a few days.

-The low pricing
-The delays and respins to get higher clocks
-All pre-launch demos are pretty much overclocking demos on LN2 or LHE
-All the leaked benchmarks from a variety of sources show basically the same poor performance. It is extremely unlikely that all of them are somehow conspiring against AMD.
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Perhaps a low IPC is why Trinity won't use the original Bulldozer cores? The low IPC of the P4 was the entire reason behind the Pentium M...
 
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On the theoretical 32nm Phenom II stuff...

it's my understanding that MHz increase heat output linearly, aka 2GHz is twice the heat as 1GHz. Also it's my understanding that heat output = power consumption.

So looking at Thuban, it looks like the 2.9GHz is the fastest 95w TDP 6-core AMD CPU. Using the Athlon 64 x2 as a reference, a die-shrink should take that down to 65w.

Now with a 65w CPU, wouldn't you have a lot of clockrate headroom to "pull a P4" and crank it as high as possible, up into a 95w or 125w TDP?


The only thing is, it's my understanding that higher clocks need higher vcore, and voltage exponentially increases heat output. This wouldn't be a problem except that, yet again, it's my understanding that too high of a vcore can fry your CPU, and therefore you'd be greatly limited to how high you can clock a 32nm Phenom II.



So guys, is anything I've said above actually accurate?
You cant look at it that way. TDP is Thermal design power. This tells the manufactures that the CPU needs a cooler that can handle 125W under load. The CPU can lower or higher power consumption then TDP and TDP is a general wall as most CPU will have different power consideration assuming they run with different voltage.
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Am I the only one that noticed in the picture of it running LinX, only one core is showing any significant heat output?
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Am I the only one that noticed in the picture of it running LinX, only one core is showing any significant heat output?
Notice that the line right under the temperatures says "124.95W"...which means the processor was running at 100%. Perhaps HWMonitor doesn't play well with the core temperature sensors? I know HWMonitor had an issue with my last P67 motherboard and wouldn't read VCore correctly.
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Notice that the line right under the temperatures says "124.95W"...which means the processor was running at 100%. Perhaps HWMonitor doesn't play well with the core temperature sensors? I know HWMonitor had an issue with my last P67 motherboard and wouldn't read VCore correctly.
It says 124.95W for both the Minimum and the Maximum values. The processor isn't using 100% in the screenshot
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Am I the only one that noticed in the picture of it running LinX, only one core is showing any significant heat output?
LinX is a Intel made benchmark, and it likely uses ALLOT of x87, BD doesn't support x87 IIRC.
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LinX is a Intel made benchmark, and it likely uses ALLOT of x87, BD doesn't support x87 IIRC.
LinX is simply an interface for running Linpack, which is not made by Intel and has nothing to do with x87. But nice try.
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