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actually, intel hired a bunch of REALLY tiny 31nm ninjas, and they are hiding inbetween the transistors, and slowing down the interwebs flowing through the processor thus making it slower.

I KNEW IT ALL ALONG!
LOL but...Nah,AMD hired ex. Intel engineers who screwed up BD on purpose.
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Anyway, on a more serious note...

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Even if its PII X8 that can clock to 4.8Ghz its still a good CPU for $250.
The issue is that, as things currently look, a 32nm Phenom II x8 should actually be FASTER than Bulldozer.
 
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Anyway, on a more serious note...


The issue is that, as things currently look, a 32nm Phenom II x8 should actually be FASTER than Bulldozer.
Based largely on unverified and uncorroborated evidence, I'd say thats a suspicion, but certainly not a fact.
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Which is why I said "as things currently look" and "should be", rather than a flat out "is". Nothing is absolutely certain.
 
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post #295 of 541
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Which is why I said "as things currently look" and "should be", rather than a flat out "is". Nothing is absolutely certain.
best to just say, wait till legitimate reviews surface and AMD launches. Seems easy enough.
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But according to Google I'm one of the only few people that have ever speculated on a theoretical 32nm Phenom II x8, and I'm trying to get my fill of it.
 
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But according to Google I'm one of the only few people that have ever speculated on a theoretical 32nm Phenom II x8, and I'm trying to get my fill of it.
U can dream, rite?

Maybe their using remote 3G technology to unleash BD's full potential on launch day. Thataway, even if you smuggle one somehow, it's going to be crippled until launch day. Yup, thats it.

    
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FX-8120@4.5GHz linpack results from the same guy i believe.i think it was removed but these guys grabbed the pic before that happened.

Has to be false, my 955 does 52G Flops at 4Ghz, fake.
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ES, second silicon revision...

Hasn't got the final microcode, hasn't got the final silicon revision, and even in that case, the models do not concur.


I call this not accurate. Might not be a fake, but that ES is veeeery old.
This is the most likely scenario, they're not fake, just not accurate, I'm hoping so for OUR sake.

There's gotta be bugs that need fixing, perhaps these runs aren't running with the Updated BIOS needed?

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Umm, really what instructions doe it use ? Because Intel is hush about it and its one of those benchmarks that Intel consistently outperforms AMD in, which suggest hanky up front.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LINPACK

It also makes heavy use of FP and maybe thanks to Intel Compiler be using the worst possible code paths available.

IF these bench's are real. In fact if the CPU dispatch instructions are not flagging x87 which would be the default, it could have to run allot of this on integer which would completely hose performance.

There is only one group of people who benefit from this type of press, and it sure ain't AMD.
Here's a problem with your theory. Check out this thread:
http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...d-looking.html

Look up Phenom II scores.

980X @ 4.4 gets 91.5 GFLOPS
1090T @ 4.3 gets 82.3 GFLOPS
930 @ 4.2 gets 60 GFLOPS

1090 @ 3.9 gets 74.6 GFLOPS
955 @ 3.8 gets 49 GFLOPS

( these are the closest clock for clock comparisons )

Those are all pretty linear results. They're ALL performing then Bulldozer? Blame Linpack, or face the reality? Otherwise, a 1090T wouldn't be pushing 80 GFLOPS at 4.4. Twice the GFLOPS as BD at 4.5, with 2 less cores.

It's not a conspiracy, BD is just under performing right now, and needs a fix, what ever it is, AMD has not said. What ever that BIOS is they are talking about better fix the issue.

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I agree.

If you look at some of the early leaks and statements from AMD, they were saying things like 50% more performance for 33% more cores. And now... it seems like they will have a hard time equaling the performance of a theoretical Phenom II x8 (which in itself is unacceptable because it implies little to no IPC increase). Clearly, AMD ran into some major problems.

Like you said, a new uarch and a die shrink is very risky and that AMD was bound to have problems. Thus I had no issues defending the early BD performance leaks since AMD still had time to fix issues and optimize performance. But now it is confirmed that we are 1 week from launch...... people who are still defending these results thinking AMD has some magic BIOS or microcode they plan on releasing at launch are just silly. Come on, the writing is on the wall.

My guess is AMD is just going to release whatever they have (even if it is slower than PH II), make as much money as they can, and move to Piledriver (fixed BD) as quickly as possible. That would explain why Trinity was originally using BD cores but now will use PD cores AND that fact that 8 Piledriver cores will be released on AM3+ (Vishera) and NOT FM2 (Komodo).

Seems like AMD is trying to fix new uarch and get the manufacturing up to snuff before moving on -- hence the quick move to Piledriver.
Hopefully, PD will rock so I can switch back to my preferred company, AMD.
Seeing your new avatar is kinda weird, but suits you well.

Looks like they'll get it right Next Gen, or hopefully fix what ever issues they have now, and improve the performance.

ALL year, all signs point to BD having issues. It's a new arch, I'm sure AMD will sort it out. I remember reading an article saying that a new stepping will be out in January, and THAT's the one to wait for.

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it would make sense that Intel is planting these "leaks" to capitalize on AMD delaying their product.

It wouldn't cost them much to create some fake screenshots, and they have enough money to pay off any judge/corporation that found out.

Think of all the people that have already jumped ship to SB because of all these "leaks". Major gain for intel there.


kinda a stretch, but possible
/tin-foil hat
It's funny how far people will go to justify the under performance being seen here. Intel has already had to pay $1 Billion+ to AMD for shady business practices.

They have SB, the 990X, SB-E out next month. They don't need to do anything shady since they're already holding the performance crown, why would they jeopardize it?

How many leaks have we seen all year? Can they really "bribe" that many people to leak "fakes"?

Face the reality. All year we've seen under performing results, delays, LN2 and Liquid Helium "demos" it all adds up to one thing.

BD is not up to par right now, and under performing.

HOPEFULLY AMD will resolve it quickly, especially if it's something as simple as a BIOS fix that unleashes BD's true performance. Otherwise, it's not going to be pretty for all of us.
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This is the most likely scenario, they're not fake, just not accurate, I'm hoping so for OUR sake.

There's gotta be bugs that need fixing, perhaps these runs aren't running with the Updated BIOS needed?



Here's a problem with your theory. Check out this thread:
http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...d-looking.html

Look up Phenom II scores.

980X @ 4.4 gets 91.5 GFLOPS
1090T @ 4.3 gets 82.3 GFLOPS
930 @ 4.2 gets 60 GFLOPS

1090 @ 3.9 gets 74.6 GFLOPS
955 @ 3.8 gets 49 GFLOPS

( these are the closest clock for clock comparisons )

Those are all pretty linear results. They're ALL performing then Bulldozer? Blame Linpack, or face the reality? Otherwise, a 1090T wouldn't be pushing 80 GFLOPS at 4.4. Twice the GFLOPS as BD at 4.5, with 2 less cores.
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So, IPC is the nearly the same between 980x and PH2, huh, who would have guessed it. Although, and I stipulated, many factors involved their.

I'd love to see some real show downs though with a consistent testing environment. Or I could try to reproduce those results myself.

I'll grab a few functional system and do my own testing, in a scientific way.

I can't keep up BTW with all the craziness, its just fun winding you guys up. Its actually pretty easy and its massively amusing.
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