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Factory overclocked doesn't necessarily mean higher binned. My graphics card has a factory oc, but doesn't clock as well as the majority of standard 460's. I would be very surprised if there is a 2600k out there that cannot run at 2700 speeds however. 100mhz is nothing on a CPU. You could even easily oc a non k chip to match that.

This thing will clock no higher than a 2600 but will cost more, forget about it.
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post #52 of 91
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Factory overclocked doesn't necessarily mean higher binned. My graphics card has a factory oc, but doesn't clock as well as the majority of standard 460's. I would be very surprised if there is a 2600k out there that cannot run at these speeds however. 100mhz is nothing on a CPU.

This thing will clock no higher than a 2600 but will cost more, forget about it.


Intel does not RELABEL CPU's. Christ. If you think intel is some 30 man operation like a joke company such as Zotac, that is not the case. They have sophisticated testing machines that determine exactly what clockspeed every CPU is released as. They don't simply relabel or do factory overclocks. Jesus christ.

Every CPU from a wafer is hooked up to a special testing machine and the bin each chip makes is determined by an extremely thorough testing process performed by a machine. Some of the chips from a wafer will be 2500k. some will be 2600k. The best will be 2700k. Some idiot doesn't simply walk up to a bunch of 2600k's and say "hey guys lets relabel these as 2700ks!"
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post #53 of 91
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I can't believe so many people are clueless about how CPU's are produced.

Intel DOES NOT RELABEL CPU's. Christ. If you think intel is some 30 man operation like a joke company such as Zotac, that is not the case. They have sophisticated testing machines that determine exactly what clockspeed every CPU is released as. They don't simply relabel or do factory overclocks. Jesus christ.

Every CPU from a wafer is hooked up to a special testing machine and the bin each chip makes is determined by an extremely thorough testing process performed by a machine. Some of the chips from a wafer will be 2500k. some will be 2600k. The best will be 2700k. Some idiot doesn't simply walk up to a bunch of 2600k's and say "hey guys lets relabel these as 2700ks! LOL!!!". /rolleyes

Maybe a crap company like zotac would do that. Ironically, lots of threads about zotac failures in the nvidia forum.
Wow someones a butthurt fanboy

AMD, Intel, Nvidia, ATI etc all re-brand stuff.
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^ I agree with this man on ATI and AMD, do not know enough history on intel and Nvidia doing this. I am happy with my 2500k atm though.
    
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IB is an SB shrink. Architecture is identical. The big thing Intel has been pushing with Ivy is power saving sleep states and a better IGPU which, on OCN, is mostly irrelevant.
False.

Although Ivy Bridge will be working on a 22nm process, it is also debuting the 3D Tri-Gate transistor in IB.

Quote from Anandtech...

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At lower voltages Intel is claiming a 37% increase in performance vs. its 32nm process and an 18% increase in performance at 1V. High end desktop and mobile parts fall into the latter category. Ivy Bridge is likely to see gains on the order of 18% vs. Sandy Bridge, however Intel may put those gains to use by reducing overall power consumption of the chip as well as pushing for higher frequencies.
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Yeah, like the 930 replaced the 920, and the 950 replaced the 930. I don't think this is a "higher bin" just a replacement at the same price point. It's a free perf boost for new buyers.

At least, that's what I get from it,
That was my thought. We say the same thing with Wolfdale. You had the Core 2 Duo E8400 and Core 2 Duo E8500. The Core 2 Duo E8600 came out and "replaced" the Core 2 Duo E8500, but only at it's price. The Core 2 Duo E8500 remained and was lowered to the price point of the Core 2 Duo E8400, and the Core 2 Duo E8400 was pushed down further still.

The thing is, I don't think Intel necessarily has much incentive to do this, so maybe whether it's added at a higher price or set in where the Core i7 2600K does, and pushes the other two down, may depend on results from Bulldozer.
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Two things with regards to "binning" and "relabeling".

The chips are tested to a certain speed. The chips that do this at or below a certain voltage are the highest binned, and so on and so forth.

This does not, however, ensure they'll clock higher. All it means is that they can do stock speeds with low voltage and if the binning process is very stringent, low leakage (low temperatures).

Also, as the fab process matures, the "leaks" in the chips are corrected as the yield goes higher. It is because of this that we see chips with higher speeds and the same power envelope.

Some of this can be detrimental, though, as we saw with the first D0 i7 920s. They clock better than any i7 released after that and with lower voltages. They even outclocked the i7 975, the highest bin from Intel.

Also, keep in mind they have a much higher demand for the lower priced chips. This means some chips that could be of a higher bin are not needed and are thus filtered down to lower priced chips.

My point is, even with binning, there is absolutely no guarantee that a higher priced chip will overclock better. While it might be more common, it's not the only deciding factor.



Specifically with the 2700K, unless Intel changes something drastic in the fab process, they'll all still have totally random clock walls as the current 2600Ks do. I wouldn't expect them to clock much better.

930s, for example, were generally worse overclockers than the 920s. Once Intel dropped the 950s down to their $279 pricepoint, they all became mediocre overclockers as well.

History doesn't point to these 100MHz increments doing much at all for overclocking. A new stepping, however, would most likely prove to be quite an upgrade.
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My guess there are just cherry picked 2600k's and will probably have a good deal higher price tag. The stock clock will just be another 100MHz higher. Nothing to see here.
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Seems like a redundant article seeing how about 50% of 2500 / 2600s can do that anyway.
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IB is an SB shrink. Architecture is identical. The big thing Intel has been pushing with Ivy is power saving sleep states and a better IGPU which, on OCN, is mostly irrelevant.

If you don't have an SB setup and the price is only about $30 more than the 2600k then it makes sense. But to sell a 2600k and buy this is silly.


Ivy Bridge 1.4B Transistors > Sandy Bridge 1.16B Transistors
Ivy Bridge 63X Multiplier > Sandy Bridge's 57X Multiplier
Ivy bridge's DDR3 2800 Memory Support > Sandy Bridges DDR3 2133 Memory Support
3D Transistors
22mm
Bclk Overclocking

This is a lot more then a die shrink
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