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Originally Posted by Kevlo View Post
SO much of this!!!

I mean IRL they fire a larger round than most other weapons in the game, yet they do a 1/3 of the damage of the assault rifles. i mean come on. if anything they should do more damage. but here again is my opinion against crappy "balancing." When it is more beneficial to use an assault rifle with extended mags and a bi-pod than a full fledged LMG, there is something wrong.
Agreed. The PKP fires the same round as the SVD IRL. It's pretty much a less accurate fully automatic sniper rifle powered monster. The M249 uses the same rounds as the M4/M16 with a higher fire rate and less recoil. M60 and M240B use the same rounds as the M40/M24.

That said, I've had the opportunity of putting tens of thousands of rounds downrange and I'm very glad the weapons aren't like real life.

When I finally started using the M16 on caspian, I was soooooo disappoint by the full auto. Needs three shot burst. It's not like it would imbalance things, either. The ability to only have ~10 "shots" per magazine balances out the improved accuracy and reduced perceived recoil.

IMO, the UMP was really only OP at range. In close quarters it is the best SMG in the world bar none. It has less recoil than an MP5 which is, frankly, flabbergasting.
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I think the UMP is somewhat overpowerd in the game. It just needs a small adjustment down in power not to be nerfed.

Having said that, it is an accurate weapon that I have trigger time with. It is accurate out to about 150 yards. The .45 is really dropping after about 120 yards and loses most its lethality, and would be worthless against armor.

The UMP is a handful on Fully Automatic it is a pistol cartridge in a subgun, but the subgun is all polymer and actually has more recoil than you would expect. I personally would rather have a handgun in the caliber than the UMP. The UMP was designed as a cheap replacement for departments that couldnt afford the MP5 series that was roller locked. The UMP is blowback has less parts and is therefore cheaper.

The PP2000 is another story and is way overpowerd. It is just a short barrel 9mm that is not know for quality or accuracy.
Edited by Hawk777th - 10/9/11 at 5:46pm
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Mk11 mod 0 I think that is the best gun so this doesn't affect me
Same. Sniping is such a joke. Even in close encounters a half decent sniper will rape any assault.
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post #44 of 69
IMO:
Guns to be nerfed:
UMP (lower damage)
PP-2000 (lower damage)
Mk11 Mod 0 (slower action time, lower long range damage)

Guns that need a boost:
SKS (higher close-med range damage, long range is fine)
LMGs (slight)
Shotguns! they have absolutely no range at all
RPGs/SMAWs (rockets are wayyyyyy too slow, and low blast radius)
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Hit detection

THAT is the thing that need repair
SOO THIS!

I'm glad the UMP is getting a nerf too.
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They also need to fix the collision detection. I shouldn't have to jump over a 2" high pile of rubble.
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Where were all you people in the BF3 thread when I complained last week? I got reamed by quite a few users for saying UMP was OP (which I guess was the wrong word to use but it still needed to be nerfed).
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um yeah, the ump is very op. i was on this m416 kick for the longest time until i started using the ump with red dot and silencer. talk about op, even at range. not too sure about the pp-2000. i find it to be a very weak, slow shooting, small clip, inaccurate weapon (granted you can get the extended mag perk with support). heck, i remember one metro round where i kid you not, everyone was using the ump.

everyone, please remember how the m60 HAD to be nerfed in bc2 because you could practically snipe with the damned thing. there will be weapon adjustments for bf3. the trick is to use the hell out of your favorite gun until they do nerf them.
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P90 is terrible for the level needed for the unlock. It's ONLY good for spraying down ******* who can't hear gunfire and realize their squad is getting mowed down by what seems to be an airsoft gun.
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honestly the ump 45 felt remarkably like cod mw2 to me... anyways it was too strong at medium range IMO
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