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The eagerness of certain individuals to jump to the conclusion of Bulldozers failure whilst insistently remaining unconcerned with all of the potentially fallacious and spurious conditions of pre-release, unconfirmed, unsolicited, counter-to-AMD's-explicit-conditions-of-release benchmarks that show absurdly low performance levels is a perfect representation of cognitive bias and ultimately, fanboyism in action.

Your desires to accept the failures in joyful glee and without appropriate, objective skepticism, when the actual release is mere days away is indicative of your preconceptions you bring to the table.

As many have explicitly stated again and again and again, for numerous reasons, nothing pre-release can be considered representative, and logically shouldn't be. All your postures and confident assertions of the failures of Bulldozer are illogical, hyperbolic, rhetorical nonsense.

Stop kidding yourselves. If you're on here repeating the notion that untrustworthy benchmarks are the pre-release nails in Bulldozer's coffin, days before release, given all the official context provided, then you are unequivocally suffering blind fanboyism.

State the same thing, if true, after release, when the conditions are satisfied, and I'll support you, as will all other level headed, rational, objective people.

But until then, stay your tongue or realize what you are based upon how you approach these benchmarks and your response to such. Fanboys, be it pro one brand or anti another. Accept it. Deal with it. Stop thinking yourself the height of objective commentary, and lose the self-satisfied, ego-centric delusions - everyone is sick of it.

End rant. Peace.
Edited by willibj - 10/9/11 at 6:10pm
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Sure, but even if you add 50% to some of the results seen here, it's still not a very good showing
This is true. I'm not trying to defend BD because at this point I think it's pretty obvious it's not at the level we all suspected. However, I can feel more comfortable that retail performance should be higher than what we have seen thus far.
    
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Consdering it costs $100 million to produce a new CPU architecture, they obviously skimped out when it came to paying the bill
Exactly, this was a design to SAVE money and use WHAT money they have. AMD's budget isnt exactly forgiving. They have no where near the funds to recruit the technology to design something faster clock for clock than Intel's latest and greatest. That takes loads of resources. They opted for more cores for less money. As far as marketing is concerned its not a half bad strategy. 4ghz 8 cores is a seller to the unknowing, which happens to be the huge majority.
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post #534 of 632
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Originally Posted by willibj View Post
The eagerness of certain individuals to jump to the conclusion of Bulldozers failure whilst insistently remaining unconcerned with all of the potentially fallacious and spurious conditions of pre-release, unconfirmed, unsolicited, counter-to-AMD's-explicit-conditions-of-release benchmarks that show absurdly low performance levels is a perfect representation of cognitive bias and ultimately, fanboyism in action.

Your desires to accept the failures in joyful glee and without appropriate, objective skepticism, when the actual release is mere days away is indicative of your preconceptions you bring to the table.

As many have explicitly stated again and again and again, for numerous reasons, nothing pre-release can be considered representative, and logically shouldn't be. All your postures and confident assertions of the failures of Bulldozer are illogical, hyperbolic, rhetorical nonsense.

Stop the BS. And stop kidding yourselves. If you're on here repeating the notion that untrustworthy benchmarks are the pre-release nails in Bulldozers coffin, days before release, given all the official context provided, then you are unequivocally suffering blind fanboyism.

State the same thing, if true, after release, when the conditions are satisfied, and I'll support you, as will all other level headed, rational, objective people.

But until then, stay your tongue or realize what you are based upon how you approach these benchmarks and your response to such. Fanboys, be it pro one brand or anti another. Accept it. Deal with it. Stop thinking yourself the height of objective commentary, and lose the self-satisfied, ego-centric delusions - everyone is sick of it.

End rant. Peace.
That whole rant was a walking Facepalm


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Originally Posted by rubicsphere View Post
This is true. I'm not trying to defend BD because at this point I think it's pretty obvious it's not at the level we all suspected. However, I can feel more comfortable that retail performance should be higher than what we have seen thus far.

Lab review and the one in this thread was done with retail chips so how do you expect performance to get better with the same exact chips?
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Originally Posted by xd_1771 View Post
No modern CPU offering could realistically pull that much, not even anything less power efficient of the older generation. This value probably took into account other system components, and probably does not take into account PSU and VRM efficiency levels.
Really now?

Once you start overclocking, the power consumption goes up greatly.

Even a 2600K @ 5 GHz will draw somewhere around 250W by itself.
One of the moderators on Anandtech personally tested this in a very comprehensive thread. Total system power draw during LinX at 5 GHz was around 350W. If you take into account the fact that the GPU is not stressed during LinX and that the other components would draw about 100W max, you get a CPU draw of around 250W.

I would not be at all surprised if Bulldozer drew 250+ W at 5 GHz, especially considering AMD's 32nm process tech is not as mature as Intel's.



Source: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2195927
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The eagerness of certain individuals to jump to the conclusion of Bulldozers failure whilst insistently remaining unconcerned with all of the potentially fallacious and spurious conditions of pre-release, unconfirmed, unsolicited, counter-to-AMD's-explicit-conditions-of-release benchmarks that show absurdly low performance levels is a perfect representation of cognitive bias and ultimately, fanboyism in action.

Your desires to accept the failures in joyful glee and without appropriate, objective skepticism, when the actual release is mere days away is indicative of your preconceptions you bring to the table.

As many have explicitly stated again and again and again, for numerous reasons, nothing pre-release can be considered representative, and logically shouldn't be. All your postures and confident assertions of the failures of Bulldozer are illogical, hyperbolic, rhetorical nonsense.

Stop the BS. And stop kidding yourselves. If you're on here repeating the notion that untrustworthy benchmarks are the pre-release nails in Bulldozers coffin, days before release, given all the official context provided, then you are unequivocally suffering blind fanboyism.

State the same thing, if true, after release, when the conditions are satisfied, and I'll support you, as will all other level headed, rational, objective people.

But until then, stay your tongue or realize what you are based upon how you approach these benchmarks and your response to such. Fanboys, be it pro one brand or anti another. Accept it. Deal with it. Stop thinking yourself the height of objective commentary, and lose the self-satisfied, ego-centric delusions - everyone is sick of it.

End rant. Peace.
Amazingly put.
    
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Cant beleive what peolple realy expected out of Bd,lol. And only going by a couple of leaked benchies. Time to enter a different thread, this one is like beating a dead horse lol.
    
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Originally Posted by 996gt2 View Post
Really now?

Once you start overclocking, the power consumption goes up greatly.

Even a 2600K @ 5 GHz will draw somewhere around 250W by itself.
One of the moderators on Anandtech personally tested this in a very comprehensive thread. Total system power draw during LinX at 5 GHz was around 350W. If you take into account the fact that the GPU is not stressed during LinX and that the other components would draw about 100W max, you get a CPU draw of around 250W.



Source: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2195927
Yep, power consumption curves are pretty crazy.

Older chip, but still relevant:



There are damn good reasons top end OCing boards have VRMs that can deliver upwards of 400w.
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http://www.chiphell.com/thread-275994-1-1.html
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