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Exactly, this was a design to SAVE money and use WHAT money they have. AMD's budget isnt exactly forgiving. They have no where near the funds to recruit the technology to design something faster clock for clock than Intel's latest and greatest. That takes loads of resources. They opted for more cores for less money. As far as marketing is concerned its not a half bad strategy. 4ghz 8 cores is a seller to the unknowing, which happens to be the huge majority.
See thats it, Intel is smart in that they know smart people like us demand good performing processors and are willing to pay upwards of a thousand £/$ for a processor, whereas AMD would be lucky to have an employee using thier 50% discount card to buy anything over $300
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The eagerness of certain individuals to jump to the conclusion of Bulldozers failure whilst insistently remaining unconcerned with all of the potentially fallacious and spurious conditions of pre-release, unconfirmed, unsolicited, counter-to-AMD's-explicit-conditions-of-release benchmarks that show absurdly low performance levels is a perfect representation of cognitive bias and ultimately, fanboyism in action.

Your desires to accept the failures in joyful glee and without appropriate, objective skepticism, when the actual release is mere days away is indicative of your preconceptions you bring to the table.

As many have explicitly stated again and again and again, for numerous reasons, nothing pre-release can be considered representative, and logically shouldn't be. All your postures and confident assertions of the failures of Bulldozer are illogical, hyperbolic, rhetorical nonsense.

Stop the BS. And stop kidding yourselves. If you're on here repeating the notion that untrustworthy benchmarks are the pre-release nails in Bulldozers coffin, days before release, given all the official context provided, then you are unequivocally suffering blind fanboyism.

State the same thing, if true, after release, when the conditions are satisfied, and I'll support you, as will all other level headed, rational, objective people.

But until then, stay your tongue or realize what you are based upon how you approach these benchmarks and your response to such. Fanboys, be it pro one brand or anti another. Accept it. Deal with it. Stop thinking yourself the height of objective commentary, and lose the self-satisfied, ego-centric delusions - everyone is sick of it.

End rant. Peace.
But this is after release...appearently in eastern Europe and West Asia it has been released or let out anyway. It is really hard to not believe it when you view it with your own eyes...in a real time feed. I take no glee in it...but I can't deny what I witnessed...of which numbers I will not comment on till the NDA is lifted on in my area of the world.
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Lab review and the one in this thread was done with retail chips so how do you expect performance to get better with the same exact chips?
Regardless of it being retail or not it was obviously not performing correctly. Like I said before some benches failed to even start, the load on the CPU was hardly ever 100%, clock speed were stuck at 2.8Ghz for the majority of the video, etc. How could you not expect it to perform better when things run smoothly as intended?
    
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Regardless of it being retail or not it was obviously not performing correctly. Like I said before some benches failed to even start, the load on the CPU was hardly ever 100%, clock speed were stuck at 2.8Ghz for the majority of the video, etc. How could you not expect it to perform better when things run smoothly as intended?
I've said it before and I will say it again. A BIOS update has never given a 30+% performance increase, so this is not going to happen for BD.
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Better OCing is certainly possible with a new BIOS, but better performance at the same clock speeds is extremely unlikely.

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Regardless of it being retail or not it was obviously not performing correctly. Like I said before some benches failed to even start, the load on the CPU was hardly ever 100%, clock speed were stuck at 2.8Ghz for the majority of the video, etc. How could you not expect it to perform better when things run smoothly as intended?
I don't know what you were watching.

A few benches did not run, namely LinX, but the clock speeds looked fine, and load in the multi-threaded tests was where it should have been.
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Regardless of it being retail or not it was obviously not performing correctly. Like I said before some benches failed to even start, the load on the CPU was hardly ever 100%, clock speed were stuck at 2.8Ghz for the majority of the video, etc. How could you not expect it to perform better when things run smoothly as intended?
Try this one

http://lab501.ro/procesoare-chipsetu...ldozer-preview
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^ I should point out that several ASUS AM3 board beta BIOS claiming AM3 support were released in the same way: ASUS recommended that the beta BIOS not be used with an AM3 chip, so you couldn't simply flash it and consider yourself FX-ready. Although some BIOS may support both Phenom II and FX chips, a BIOS for the FX chips only may be the most optimal choice. This may also be why several GA-990XA-UD3 club members who have attempted to update to bios F9A with AM3 Phenom II chips have had problems. F9A updates the CPU AGESA code.
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I've said it before and I will say it again. A BIOS update has never given a 30+% performance increase, so this is not going to happen for BD.
Nor do I expect it to, but performance increases are increases no matter the magnitude. At this point I don't even care how real these are I just want all the speculation to end and come 10/12 hopefully the madness will cease
    
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I've said it before and I will say it again. A BIOS update has never given a 30+% performance increase, so this is not going to happen for BD.
Well, the latest F5A BIOS for updating the AGESA 1.1.0.0 code on my UD3 gave me a 99% decrease. It stops at "loading operating system". So anything is possible..
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