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Rumor has it the Anandtech review drops after midnight. Not sure how credible it is tho.
Source of rumor? I have to stay up anyway to read some research papers for class
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in reality..... i remember shipping in a e6300 engineering sample from Hong Kong 3 weeks before the core duo release and running all sorts of benchmarks and over clocks that I could think of.... i only managed to get that chip to just shy of 3ghz and it was fast compared to anything else that was out at that time....

the bios i was on didnt fully optimise the cpu as it was a pre release beta bios and this definitely had an effect on the cpu.

i sold the e.s. on and bought the first retain version of the cpu with a proper bios released for the board and that chip got a 100% overclock which was fairly achievable and loads of people ended up getting this result, not only that, it benchmarked substantially better than the engineering sample i had.

now, whether or not this is going to be the case for bulldozer, i agree, its far to early to assume its a dud!! i am not an amd fanboy nor an intel fanboy, i am just another pc enthusiast that likes playing with the new stuff that comes out. i have had both 2500k and 2600k cpu's and they are definately blisteringly fast. i am currently running my 1090t at a conservative 4 ghz, i ran my sandys both at 4.5ghz as every one i have tried did that as you all know. in real life terms, i dont see any noticeable difference in day to day use. benchmark wise...theres a huge difference.....

i think everyone should stop the whole flaming each other , intel , amd etc etc and just wait and see how it turns out......

its gonna pan out one way or the other...that much is a certainty!!

Logic win. + Rep for rationality.
 
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Source of rumor? I have to stay up anyway to read some research papers for class
Nevermind

It was ninja'd out over at Anandtech forums.
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No, my patience will still be logically and rationally justified for adhering to the previously stated conditions required for legitimated benchmarking results. How would it be any different from what I've already stated, that I will accept and support any conclusion that is legitimate and official. Everything prior to such is necessarily not such.

And lets not forget we are talking 3 days not 3 months.

"My version of patience"? What, the one that doesn't jump to conclusions that absolutely contradict the explicit required conditions stated by AMD, the product manufacturer in question, whose product we are debating pre-release?

IF the results shown now are correct, then it will be unfortunate, but also, technically, a coincidence. If the results are different, then what?

Patience is still the virtue, and logic dictates that we wait for the official, substantiated benchmarks. That's a zero-sum policy, and objectively you must know this.
I don't know where you come off ranting about patience when you already apparently have a 990FX motherboard. A patient, logical and perhaps coherent person would have and appropriately should have waited till an official review before buying a motherboard for a chip they knew absolutely--nothing--about.

If anything is clear, it is that you have a direct bias in all of this and as such, you have no right to lecture people on the notion of being a fanboy. Your stance was made clear the second you acquired that motherboard. You obviously have faith in this product and clearly want to see it succeed irregardless of everything that has been illustrated these last few days.

But hey, we're all clearly delusional, and the hundreds of people watching that live stream must have imagined it all, and a BIOS update will somehow amend the handful of "previews" or "reviews" we've seen in the past few days, and everything will be proven wrong in the next two or three days because AMD clearly has a winning CPU that can magically be amended within a two or three day period.

That kind of stuff happens all the time.
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SHOW ME A CPU-Z !!! where is it?
lol.... it would have got ditched a loooong time ago.... along with the one for the 2.8ghz northwood i had over 4ghz on a vapochill.... spent years chasing numbers and a fortune as well.....

in real life general every day use for the average user theres not gonna be any noticeable difference. for a job specific application that uses the power then yes, it will be noticeable...this segment of the argument does have a relevant point, if you need the fastest processor for a viable reason then i can understand your concerns if you though bulldozer was going to shorten your production times. for everyday people surfing the web, gaming and doing your normal stuff.... waiting an extra minute while win avi converts your movie is not even going to get a frown...no one will be interested, what they will be interested in however is again, price performance, where sandy bridge might win on speed , bull dozer and amd again might win on price /performance....


hehe...seee youve got me involved now...lols
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I'm betting that any company that makes great microprocessors for last 30 years is also shrewd enough to do a few things right. A few of them would be:

First, make a better microprocessor...this is fundamental to their business. You don't approve mega-scale projects without a bunch of REALLY smart folks agreeing that they're onto something...otherwise you'd see Phenom III and uptick of it's uarch. These guys know something and we'll all know it soon enough I'd imagine...that said, few plans survive first contact and bumps happen and will get leveled and moved past. BD will be better than PII and continue to improve...it is the way of things.

Second, they know their customer. Go to any review site and read the reviews on AMD processors. Forget about being an expert for a second and just read the reviews. They love them in the very, very high 90%. Fluke? They make chips for real people and the way real people use computers...not the Indy car set at the bench pits. Not hating, just saying. This thing will sell like hotcakes and people will love it. Watch and see.

Third, they know their competition and vice versa. Intel needs AMD like Coke needs Pepsi, they push each other for our, and their mutual benefit. Intel would rather crush a customer than it's only competitor. They both play rough, but deep down need each other. Nothing would be worse than a monopoly for us or Intel since the government would break it up under antitrust. BD won't be allowed to bring AMD down if Intel can help it...sounds weird, but down inside you know it too.
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I don't know where you come off ranting about patience when you already apparently have a 990FX motherboard. A patient, logical and perhaps coherent person would have and appropriately should have waited till an official review before buying a motherboard for a chip they knew absolutely--nothing--about.

If anything is clear, it is that you have a direct bias in all of this and as such, you have no right to lecture people on the notion of being a fanboy. Your stance was made clear the second you acquired that motherboard. You obviously have faith in this product and clearly want to see it succeed irregardless of everything that has been illustrated these last few days.

But hey, we're all clearly delusional, and the hundreds of people watching that live stream must have imagined it all, and a BIOS update will somehow amend the handful of "previews" or "reviews" we've seen in the past few days, and everything will be proven wrong in the next two or three days because AMD clearly has a winning CPU that can magically be amended within a two or three day period.

That kind of stuff happens all the time.

maybe he just thought...im gonna grab a top spec motherboard at this cheap price while i can.... sata 3 will be ideal for my ssd's....like me!!
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I don't know where you come off ranting about patience when you already apparently have a 990FX motherboard. A patient, logical and perhaps coherent person would have and appropriately should have waited till an official review before buying a motherboard for a chip they knew absolutely--nothing--about.

If anything is clear, it is that you have a direct bias in all of this and as such, you have no right to lecture people on the notion of being a fanboy. Your stance was made clear the second you acquired that motherboard. You obviously have faith in this product and clearly want to see it succeed irregardless of everything that has been illustrated these last few days.

But hey, we're all clearly delusional, and the hundreds of people watching that live stream must have imagined it all, and a BIOS update will somehow amend the handful of "previews" or "reviews" we've seen in the past few days, and everything will be proven wrong in the next two or three days because AMD clearly has a winning CPU that can magically be amended within a two or three day period.

That kind of stuff happens all the time.
What's in his sig should make no difference to the point he has proven.
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I don't know where you come off ranting about patience when you already apparently have a 990FX motherboard. A patient, logical and perhaps coherent person would have and appropriately should have waited till an official review before buying a motherboard for a chip they knew absolutely--nothing--about.

If anything is clear, it is that you have a direct bias in all of this and as such, you have no right to lecture people on the notion of being a fanboy. Your stance was made clear the second you acquired that motherboard. You obviously have faith in this product and clearly want to see it succeed irregardless of everything that has been illustrated these last few days.

But hey, we're all clearly delusional, and the hundreds of people watching that live stream must have imagined it all, and a BIOS update will somehow amend the handful of "previews" or "reviews" we've seen in the past few days, and everything will be proven wrong in the next two or three days because AMD clearly has a winning CPU that can magically be amended within a two or three day period.

That kind of stuff happens all the time.
I astounded that I have to explain this, but here goes anyway:

I had a GA MA790XT UD4P for my old PhII x3 720 I bought that unlocked to a quad in 2009, running nearly 1.5v on the CPU 24/7.

It held back my RAM and NB overclocks. I presumed this initially to be my CPU being a C2 chip.

Eventually the Thubans were released, and I decided that as a cheap, effective, compatibly upgrade path I wanted a 1090t, well before I was expecting the FX Bulldozer series, and I eventually found one online, brand new and for quite cheap so I bought it.

Installed, and my MB was clearly the suspect for holding me back.

So I decided a new MB was in order, and I wanted to start pulling together a colour scheme in my case of black/white/grey.

990FXA-UD3 is an all black motherboard that allowed for a full OC, and is very well priced.

But no, of course, you should certainly conclude of your own accord that a purchase of a cross-platform piece of hardware that maximized my previous hardware's overclock capabilities and adhered to a colour scheme I wanted that also happens to be compatible is SOLELY purchased for the reason of upgrading to the FX cpu's in question.

Nice logic fail mate.
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I take the fact that people are concluding about a technically unreleased product as laughable. What has been released so far may or may not be indicative of the actual release. We don't know that yet. It's really that simple.
I fail to see what relevance an offical release has. I have samples of hardware that were never officially released; it still exists.

Regardless, this chip was a retail sample, and there is little reason to doubt that.

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As to your alleged "credible evidence" - you continue to flaunt potential misinformation. It can all agree with each other, but if it's not legitimate, then it means naught.
Nearly my exact sentiments regarding your insane level of skepticism.

As for legitimacy, again, what convinces you that AMD's, or any other manufacturer's, statements are more legitimate than tests done on a physical sample?

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I would be saying the SAME EXACT THING if the results were amazing, showing BD destroying Sandy Bridge. Grain of salt.
I have no idea whether you are biased to a particular manufacture or not, but being biased to manufacture statements over actual community tests is a huge red flag.

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After official release, and with proper, substantiated benches on confirmed hardware/software, all bets are off and any analysis can be objective. Until such time, no analysis is truly objective.
What makes this test less substantiated than any other? I can list the hardware and software that I saw, and it will be at least as complete a list as most tests don't by big name sites. There are other benchmarks, from other sources, on similar hardware that will reinforce these numbers.

It seems to come down to you saying "AMD has not given their stamp of approval to these tests, so they cannot be considered", and to such a statement I will always say "nonsense".
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