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A move to give the iPhone4S another USP. Basically more reasons to try and tempt iPhone4 and previous revision owners to upgrade.
Same reason why they gave the IP4 the ability to "hotspot" and the 3GS not. So people would be tempted to upgrade. Marketing 101 dude.... Plus the IP4S has the hardware.... I'm looking forward to the speed of IP4S more than anything. And yes I will also be getting the IP5 cause I can.
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The old one did not have to go, just change the name of it and leave it in the app store, and set it to not run on the 4S. Easy enough.

Serious question, there has been at least one thing Apple has done in the last few years that you didn't agree with....right?
Whether they want it off the App Store so that it doesn't confuse people, give Siri on the 4S a bad rap, because it's inferior, or simply because they want to encourage 4S sales... it's their prerogative and not really unreasonable.

You know as well as I do that at least half of all iPhone and iPad users (I exaggerate a little) would download the Siri (or whatever you renamed it to) app on the App Store to test it out, and they're going to think in some way it represents or is an idea of how well Siri will work on the 4S.

Whether they are uneducated users (which there will be many of) who think it's the exact same on the 4S, or somewhat educated users (which there will also be many of) who think it'll be similar but a bit better, they won't walk away impressed and it's human nature to assume that's how it's going to work on the 4S or maybe just "a bit better".

We're talking problems with the App Store version like slowness, inaccuracy, bad with background noise, etc., etc., things the Siri on 4S aren't supposed to suffer from.
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Whether they want it off the App Store so that it doesn't confuse people, give Siri on the 4S a bad rap, because it's inferior, or simply because they want to encourage 4S sales... it's their prerogative and not really unreasonable.

You know as well as I do that at least half of all iPhone and iPad users (I exaggerate a little) would download the Siri (or whatever you renamed it to) app on the App Store to test it out, and they're going to think in some way it represents or is an idea of how well Siri will work on the 4S.

Whether they are uneducated users (which there will be many of) who think it's the exact same on the 4S, or somewhat educated users (which there will also be many of) who think it'll be similar but a bit better, they won't walk away impressed and it's human nature to assume that's how it's going to work on the 4S or maybe just "a bit better".

We're talking problems with the App Store version like slowness, inaccuracy, bad with background noise, etc., etc., things the Siri on 4S aren't supposed to suffer from.
Here's a wild idea, sell the LATEST version on the App store, so it works on IOS 5 supported devices such as the iPhone 4, and iPad 2. As you know, I have an iPhone 4S on pre-order so the whole fanboyism argument is not applicable.
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Whether they want it off the App Store so that it doesn't confuse people, give Siri on the 4S a bad rap, because it's inferior, or simply because they want to encourage 4S sales... it's their prerogative and not really unreasonable.

You know as well as I do that at least half of all iPhone and iPad users (I exaggerate a little) would download the Siri (or whatever you renamed it to) app on the App Store to test it out, and they're going to think in some way it represents or is an idea of how well Siri will work on the 4S.

Whether they are uneducated users (which there will be many of) who think it's the exact same on the 4S, or somewhat educated users (which there will also be many of) who think it'll be similar but a bit better, they won't walk away impressed and it's human nature to assume that's how it's going to work on the 4S or maybe just "a bit better".

We're talking problems with the App Store version like slowness, inaccuracy, bad with background noise, etc., etc., things the Siri on 4S aren't supposed to suffer from.
See, you're still comparing versions. Give the app from the app-store a completely different name, and now it has nothing to do with Siri on the iPhone 4S. This has been my argument from the beginning. Why remove a free application that is useful to a large amount of your customers? Just change the name of the app, and you're done, no big deal.

The problem I have is that they're likely doing it to drive customers to the new iPhone, and you shouldn't have to strip out functionality from existing hardware to get people to upgrade. The whole argument about them removing it due to confusion doesn't hold IMO, because they could easily fix that confusion if they tried.
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Here's a wild idea, sell the LATEST version on the App store, so it works on IOS 5 supported devices such as the iPhone 4, and iPad 2. As you know, I have an iPhone 4S on pre-order so the whole fanboyism argument is not applicable.
Well, because even the iPhone 4 isn't powerful enough to run it (or at least not well enough). That's based on what I've read about the GPU core(s) being used by Siri for tasks such as filtering out background noise, breaking down speech into incredibly small amounts of data, etc.

It doesn't seem like we're going to convince each other. You know full well I believe anything without the A5 isn't powerful enough, and I know full well you believe even the 3GS or 4 should be able to run it. So, let's wait and see.

I don't really think you are a fanboy, and I don't usually call anyone a fanboy anyway. It's a pointless point to make (most of the time). Haha.
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Then it shouldn't have been a free app to begin with...
I never used it or heard of it till the 4S but it's possible they made it a free app so that everyone who used it took part in beta testing. It would be a good way to work the kinks out on a large audience before toting it as iPhone 4S's killer app.

Also a good way to collect common phrases that people tried. I'm not sure what the policy on collecting usage data is from apps like that but it'd be interesting to find out.
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See, you're still comparing versions. Give the app from the app-store a completely different name, and now it has nothing to do with Siri on the iPhone 4S. This has been my argument from the beginning. Why remove a free application that is useful to a large amount of your customers? Just change the name of the app, and you're done, no big deal.
But everyone would still know it's the voice recognition software that used to be called Siri, as I said they will (even if told otherwise) use it to get an idea of what the real Siri is like.
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The problem I have is that they're likely doing it to drive customers to the new iPhone, and you shouldn't have to strip out functionality from existing hardware to get people to upgrade. The whole argument about them removing it due to confusion doesn't hold IMO, because they could easily fix that confusion if they tried.
I don't deny that's a part of it, I don't know. But there could be other reasons. We'll see whether the iPad 2 gets it or not, there shouldn't really be anything to stop it from getting it. (I have thought perhaps the iPad 2 lacks some specific thing required for Siri but that's pure speculation, considering it was six months ago before the iPad 2 was released and even a month or two before that when it was finalized.)

What do you mean "you shouldn't have to strip out functionality from existing hardware to get people to upgrade"? Do you mean strip functionality of the version of Siri on the App Store, if so, they didn't. It's been that way for quite a while.

Wasn't Siri put on the App Store by the company who owned Siri, and then Apple's acquired the company and then left it there for the time being?

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Ultimately there won't be any solid proof until the jail break community gets to it and tries and hack Siri onto older devices and also when reviews like from Anandtech come out. When that happens, my bet is this: any devices running the A4 and lower aren't powerful enough to run it. I believe what I've read, that Siri makes use of one of the PowerVR cores in the MP2 for background noise filtering, processing speech, etc.
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Ultimately there won't be any solid proof until the jail break community gets to it and tries and hack Siri onto older devices and also when reviews like from Anandtech come out. When that happens, my bet is this: any devices running the A4 and lower aren't powerful enough to run it. I believe what I've read, that Siri makes use of one of the PowerVR cores in the MP2 for background noise filtering, processing speech, etc.
Agreed, there's a good chance that it requires the newer faster hardware to run properly, although I get the feeling that it could run on an A4, it would just take longer to analyze the speech and respond.
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I'm not trying to be abrasive, but saying they removed it from the app store because it might confuse users is a very poor argument.

Every app that is similar to Siri, will be compared to Siri. If it has a different name, it is not Siri, and will be compared to Siri as a different application.

The person would have to be absolutely out of their mind to take a program called something like Talk to Me and say, "oh my god, this must be EXACTLY what Siri is like!" You change the name, you break the association. They become different entities.

It is plain-and-simple, a marketing move for the 4S and future phones.
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I'm aware of that, and yes I did. I left off the "that was (available)" part, it's late. Why? Well let's see:

1) Some users might mistake (App Store) Siri for (4S) Siri and think it's not so great, and it might get negative reviews. (As has been said by another forum member.)
2) Some users might download it on their current iPhone in order to test it and see if they want to buy the 4S for the feature or might download the App instead of upgrading. And it'll run like pff.
3) Some users might pass on the 4S and settle for (App Store) Siri and be unimpressed.

Blah, blah... you get the picture.

Also, now if anyone wants to use Siri at all they HAVE to upgrade to the new phone....

Just sayin

EDIT: I just realized that OCN most likely made this point on every page, as is our duty
    
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