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I'm not trying to be abrasive, but saying they removed it from the app store because it might confuse users is a very poor argument.

Every app that is similar to Siri, will be compared to Siri. If it has a different name, it is not Siri, and will be compared to Siri as a different application.

The person would have to be absolutely out of their mind to take a program called something like Talk to Me and say, "oh my god, this must be EXACTLY what Siri is like!" You change the name, you break the association. They become different entities.

It is plain-and-simple, a marketing move for the 4S and future phones.
The problem is, even with a different name it is still associated with Siri because that's what it's name was. Everyone will know, and it will be announced on every tech site that the previously named software "Siri" is now named "Talk to Me", and everyone is going to go and try it. Additionally, you're going to get all these trollo articles and bad press about how Apple has added Siri as a built-in feature to the 4S and just "changed the name" on the App Store -- stuff that implies it's the same version, etc.

Perhaps if they did this a year ago it'd be long enough ago to not have much of an affect. But not now.
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The problem is, even with a different name it is still associated with Siri because that's what it's name was. Everyone will know, and it will be announced on every tech site that the previously named software "Siri" is now named "Talk to Me", and everyone is going to go and try it. Additionally, you're going to get all these trollo articles and bad press about how Apple has added Siri as a built-in feature to the 4S and just "changed the name" on the App Store -- stuff that implies it's the same version, etc.

Perhaps if they did this a year ago it'd be long enough ago to not have much of an affect. But not now.
When you change the name of the product, you are immediately removing any expectations of exact similarity to the product of the old name that is still being developed. A sane person cannot expect the free product for the older device with one name to be an equal to the built-in functions on the newer phone with a completely different name, even if the old one was the one that was renamed.

Naming is HUGE for product identity and relationship.

This is why Microsoft put out Windows 7; Vista got a bad name, and there was probably no saving it. Windows 7 is Vista optimized at heart, but people say Windows 7 is the best Windows OS they've used.
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post #53 of 116
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When you change the name of the product, you are immediately removing any expectations of exact similarity to the product of the old name that is still being developed. A sane person cannot expect the free product for the older device with one name to be an equal to the built-in functions on the newer phone with a completely different name, even if the old one was the one that was renamed.

Naming is HUGE for product identity and relationship.

This is why Microsoft put out Windows 7; Vista got a bad name, and there was probably no saving it. Windows 7 is Vista optimized at heart, but people say Windows 7 is the best Windows OS they've used.
You are going to stop expectations, yes, but that doesn't stop people from making judgements based on it. The majority of smartphone users are going to be technologically illiterate and thus wrongly conclude that even though "Siri" on the 4S is "improved", that it isn't going to be that great. They're going to settle for trying it on the App Store rather than trying it on the 4S -- it'll diminish it somewhat.

Just as the App Store version of Siri is receiving a lot of publicity now, so too would the newly renamed "Talk to Me" app. You can't stop the association with it at this point even by changing its name because the news will get around that "Siri's name has changed to 'Talk to Me'". And you'll probably get people and articles saying "Apple's changed the name and then just integrated the feature into the 4S, what a joke!", etc.

Plus, you will confused people. It's insane some of the things I hear from the average person talking about the iPhone, iPad or anything technology related, they've got no idea what they're talking about most of the time. They mix up and confuse some of the simplest things.
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It does stop people from making judgements on it. You have separated the two products, it really is that simple.

This is a very common tactic among all sorts of businesses. There isn't really a huge push to get a 4S for most consumers as it stands, and a lot of people are disappointed that the iPhone 5 didn't release. Siri is a HUGE bullet point for the 4S. If the command recognition is really as good as advertised, it's reason enough for a lot of people to upgrade.

This is the kind of feature that Apple loves to promote for a specific product, and it's a good idea from a business standpoint. If you ask me, without Siri, the 4S is really... kind of a flop.
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It does stop people from making judgements on it. You have separated the two products, it really is that simple.

This is a very common tactic among all sorts of businesses. There isn't really a huge push to get a 4S for most consumers as it stands, and a lot of people are disappointed that the iPhone 5 didn't release. Siri is a HUGE bullet point for the 4S. If the command recognition is really as good as advertised, it's reason enough for a lot of people to upgrade.

This is the kind of feature that Apple loves to promote for a specific product, and it's a good idea from a business standpoint. If you ask me, without Siri, the 4S is really... kind of a flop.
I'm not saying it isn't a factor, but I do believe there is more to it. Uneducated consumers confuse even simple things. However, let's just agree to disagree. It doesn't really matter either way.

How is it a flop? It's better in every area on the inside.
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I'm not saying it isn't a factor, but I do believe there is more to it. Uneducated consumers confuse even simple things. However, let's just agree to disagree. It doesn't really matter either way.

How is it a flop? It's better in every area on the inside.
To Apple's average consumer base, the performance numbers on paper are not all that important. How it performs is the primary issue. Most people I have talked to with a iPhone 3's and 4's think their phone works just fine. It's really hard to make someone upgrade unless they feel like the upgrade is warranted.

Another difficult point, is that most people with iPhone 4's don't have a contract update coming. If it were a completely new phone, people would probably be willing to splurge for the excitement of a new design.

Unfortunately, the iPhone 4S was kind of a let-down. Everyone was expecting a 5, and a lot of people are simply going to wait for the 5. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the 4S was their poorest selling model of the iPhone in recent history.

/*EDIT: Keep in mind this is my opinion. I know the 4S has very good pre-sales already, but I don't find that pre-sales are a definite indication of overall sales.*/

...Enter Siri, I think that is really the 4S's saving grace here. This kind of technology has been illustrated in movies and games, but always in the distant future (ie. EDI from Mass Effect 2). Siri is an awesome step in the right direction for user-technology interaction.

If the 4S ends up doing well enough, I give 75% of the credit to the Siri software.
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To Apple's average consumer base, the performance numbers on paper are not all that important. How it performs is the primary issue. Most people I have talked to with a iPhone 3's and 4's think their phone works just fine. It's really hard to make someone upgrade unless they feel like the upgrade is warranted.

Another difficult point, is that most people with iPhone 4's don't have a contract update coming. If it were a completely new phone, people would probably be willing to splurge for the excitement of a new design.

Unfortunately, the iPhone 4S was kind of a let-down. Everyone was expecting a 5, and a lot of people are simply going to wait for the 5. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the 4S was their poorest selling model of the iPhone in recent history.

/*EDIT: Keep in mind this is my opinion. I know the 4S has very good pre-sales already, but I don't find that pre-sales are a definite indication of overall sales.*/

...Enter Siri, I think that is really the 4S's saving grace here. This kind of technology has been illustrated in movies and games, but always in the distant future (ie. EDI from Mass Effect 2). Siri is an awesome step in the right direction for user-technology interaction.

If the 4S ends up doing well enough, I give 75% of the credit to the Siri software.
How was it a let down when it's improved significantly in every area?
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How was it a let down when it's improved significantly in every area?
Because the population was expecting a complete redesign; the iPhone 5. It's hard to be really excited about something when you were expecting something completely different.

I'm not arguing that it's hardware is not good, as it is very good. The numbers it puts down are very impressive. However, imagine if this phone were a new edgy design, with the completely new hardware of the 4S, and the great camera, and Siri.

You'd have the iPhone 5, the most advanced iPhone yet.
To the average consumer, the 4S looks exactly like the 3S did; and incremental upgrade.

It also makes me a little curious to see if the 5 will actually offer in terms of performance. Makes you hope they didn't waste the magic of more power on an existing design and name.
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Because the population was expecting a complete redesign; the iPhone 5. It's hard to be really excited about something when you were expecting something completely different.

I'm not arguing that it's hardware is not good, as it is very good. The numbers it puts down are very impressive. However, imagine if this phone were a new edgy design, with the completely new hardware of the 4S, and the great camera, and Siri.

You'd have the iPhone 5, the most advanced iPhone yet.
To the average consumer, the 4S looks exactly like the 3S did; and incremental upgrade.

It also makes me a little curious to see if the 5 will actually offer in terms of performance. Makes you hope they didn't waste the magic of more power on an existing design and name.
They only suspected a complete redesign though because of all the rumours, and that's their fault as you should always take rumours with a grain of salt, or two. The iPhone 5 prototype with the thinner 4" teardrop design was real, but exactly that -- a prototype which will quite possibly resemble the iPhone 5.

I'm expecting the A6 to either be a dual-core (at a higher clock speed) or a quad-core (at a lower clock speed) based off the ARM15 architecture. It should also have 1GB of RAM, and I hope (if it's available by then) a PowerVR 6xx series GPU although it's quite possible regardless that it'll the same MP2 for another generation or so.
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They only suspected a complete redesign though because of all the rumours, and that's their fault as you should always take rumours with a grain of salt, or two. The iPhone 5 prototype with the thinner 4" teardrop design was real, but exactly that -- a prototype which will quite possibly resemble the iPhone 5.

I'm expecting the A6 to either be a dual-core (at a higher clock speed) or a quad-core (at a lower clock speed) based off the ARM15 architecture. It should also have 1GB of RAM, and I hope (if it's available by then) a PowerVR 6xx series GPU although it's quite possible regardless that it'll the same MP2 for another generation or so.
Quad-core in a phone would be quite the device.

What was the deal with Al Gore announcing something about the iPhone 5? Was he just massively misinformed, or did people just take what he said out of context?

I'm thinking that's where the big hype for the 5 started.
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