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YESSSSSSS... totally upgrading to this. Thought about SBE, nah.
     
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Anyone know if LGA 2011 will support IB-E later on? I'm on LGA 1366 and want to stick to the higher end processors so I'm not sure on whether to upgrade to LGA 2011 or just wait for Ivy Bridge in March/April.
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Anyone know if LGA 2011 will support IB-E later on? I'm on LGA 1366 and want to stick to the higher end processors so I'm not sure on whether to upgrade to LGA 2011 or just wait for Ivy Bridge in March/April.
I believe Ivy-E is dropping into LGA-2011 same as SB-E chips.

The Ivy chips in April are "consumer" level LGA-1155 socket.


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Now i lost my hard-on
That's just for the high end Xeon SKUs.
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I'll bet a LOT more than 20% over SB-E.

Figure 10% IPC gain and 10-20% more OC headroom...then figure that IB-E will sport 8 cores at least and probably 10 or 12 on the Xeons.

10% IPC x 15% OC x 33.3% cores = 68.6% overall gains going from SB-E to Ivy-E on multi-threaded loads. Maybe 32% or so on lightly-threaded loads.

I assume more and more programs will use more cores in a couple years when Ivy-E releases. As someone who pretty much exclusively does 3D rendering and compositing with my computers, I always get 100% core usage at all times, but for gamers they'll need better optimized software.
10-20% OC headroom? 10% likely, but 20%? SB gets architecturally limited at ~5.7Ghz (Hence why not every chip hits the multiplier limit) and you're saying IB will be able to OC to 5.9Ghz easily? No way.

IMO even 15% is pushing it, considering its an architectural limit and not voltages, temperatures, support components, etc like it was for Conroe/Nehalems/Phenom II, etc.

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I guess you missed the part where the article he's talking about says "ADD-IN BOARDS"
No, I saw that, but technically the other guy is right because there are a lot of sales for AMD in the IGP and even the discrete laptop card market, which I don't think would have been counted?

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Yet F@H has no troubles putting 12 core Magny-Cours to the test? Or cinebench for that matter.

The problem is in the architecture of BD. Hopefully PD address these issues.
The execution is the problem, BDs architecture is fine.

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^^^Refute it smart guy. If you can't, then keep your opinion to yourself.

Oh yes. New architecture means new BIOS for testing board(s). Since when have you guys ever seen a BIOS work perfectly on a brand new board with brand new CPU.



Yes I was. Nobody saluted me unless I saluted first.



~Ceadder
Apart from compilers forcing the use of every second core (To miminize shared resources) as often as they can without limiting performance and using the new instructions, software has very little to do with why BD is a bad performer.

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And watch what happens when Mainboard Manufacturers fine tune their BIOS.
A whole lot of nothing.

The BIOS would give very little in the way of extra performance now, it's all up to the CPU schedulers in the various OS'.


And even then, AMD need to fix the front-end and the cache...

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I've never heard of BIOS updates that could improve performance that much.
You obviously weren't around in the Socket 7 days, you had 4-5 different CPUs (And I mean completely different, think if we had Nehalems, SB, Deneb, Wolfdale and Bulldozer on Socket 1155) on each platform and if you had an older board, while it'd be compatible, it'd be a lot slower because of the lack of proper microcode and the like.

However, I'd imagine that was all done by now for Bulldozer.
    
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I thought Ivy Bridge was going to support 1155 and a NEW socket? Did this change or what?
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I thought Ivy Bridge was going to support 1155 and a NEW socket? Did this change or what?
Ivy bridge will be on 1155 and Ivy Bridge E on 2011
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Ivy bridge will be on 1155 and Ivy Bridge E on 2011
wait will the new mobos have anything special? or will any old 1155 board do. Because I might buy a board now or something an wait on Ivy, unless there are specific features on those ivy 1155 boards. Also does anyone know about how many pci lanes Ivy supports? Seriously considering picking up an asus maximus unless some majorly awesome revised boards come out with a new chipset like z77 and make everything more awesome than it already is.
     
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Hmmmm sounds like a Ivy update might be in order...though I do have one question...will they have CPUs with unlocked multipliers like the 2500k and 2600k series??? And will they cost a arm and a leg, or be priced slightly higher than the current k series???

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Hmmmm sounds like a Ivy update might be in order...though I do have one question...will they have CPUs with unlocked multipliers like the 2500k and 2600k series??? And will they cost a arm and a leg, or be priced slightly higher than the current k series???

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1. There will be unlocked chips
2. there will cost about the same as the current K series.

All this talk about Ivy makes me wonder if SBE is even something to consider. Graphics aren't bottlenecked by 8x lanes and hexacores aren't needed for gaming. Sigh, if only I knew what to do
     
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