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my feeling is with the delays they realized there were issues with the cpu being utilized correctly. with the way they are acting about the NDA and talking about how nothing pre-released with come close to BD true performance, im guessing they will have a bios/driver update. thats my 2C
Could be anything, so its best to stay academic about the whole thing. Like I said though, best way to find a leak in a boat, is to put it in the water.

right now, I have a feeling some distributor is about to get their ability to buy and sell AMD cpu's yanked.
post #102 of 130
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It's more like 2-8% behind in video games w/ 2500K and 10-30% w/ 2600K (The games that were used were dual-core so it is mainly MT)
There is almost no difference between the i5-2500k and the i7-2600k in gaming. HT, and more cores for that matter mean almost nothing in gaming. The minor differences seen are related to higher frequency, more (faster) cache.

The only way AMD is close in FPS with the i5-2500k with that multithreaded performance is if they're gpu bottlenecked.
    
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post #103 of 130
I'm investing in a gaming rig, selective part's and done right. Bulldozer is the last part of that build, and I honestly am happy. It's going to be a gaming rig and nothing more.

My next build might be ivy 2013 tech or AMD in 13' we will have to wait.

In terms of all the garbage I read in these forums, people using cliques, "fanboys, trolls, .." I suggest people perhaps wake up from justin beaverland and stop going with the flow..

I've owned Intel's and Amd's since the start, and honestly AMD has been more reliable for it's purposes. Maybe that's luck?

I'm a real consumer, and although I perhaps spend money, but that's what consumers do.

I remember reading Intel's Digital Day's back in High School, and having Intel feeling confident in their tech.

I can say I love both for their own reasons. I hope some of you guys cut AMD some slack.

It's so clear that ALOT of people have a deep burn of Hate for AMD, and that's clear. Don't beat around the bush and ambush amd threads, with your ambush of hate. It looks . . . need I say?

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post #104 of 130
Llano 32nm quad core A-8 3870k vs Bulldozer 32nm octo-core FX 8150

Price
3870k should be cheaper, based on current Llano prices

Efficiency
3870k should give more performance per watt based on current Llano cpu power draw compared to leaked bulldozer reviews

Overclocking
3870k should overclock farther on air cooling, due to higher efficiency, and a smaller cpu die size combined with 1/2 number of cores

Gaming
3870k should be faster here do to higher overclock, and better IPC

Overall
3870k looks to be a winner as long as AMD can price them right
post #105 of 130
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Originally Posted by Lex Luger View Post
Llano 32nm quad core A-8 3870k vs Bulldozer 32nm octo-core FX 8150

Price
3870k should be cheaper, based on current Llano prices

Efficiency
3870k should give more performance per watt based on current Llano cpu power draw compared to leaked bulldozer reviews

Overclocking
3870k should overclock farther on air cooling, due to higher efficiency, and a smaller cpu die size combined with 1/2 number of cores

Gaming
3870k should be faster here do to higher overclock, and better IPC

Overall
3870k looks to be a winner as long as AMD can price them right
3870K remove the GPU and call it a 6870K add a L3 with 8mb and boom add avx capabilities and we got a serious contender

14-16mm^2 per core isn't that bad when compared to Bulldozer which is basically the same size
Edited by Seronx - 10/10/11 at 1:20pm
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There is almost no difference between the i5-2500k and the i7-2600k in gaming. HT, and more cores for that matter mean almost nothing in gaming. The minor differences seen are related to higher frequency, more (faster) cache.

The only way AMD is close in FPS with the i5-2500k with that multithreaded performance is if they're gpu bottlenecked.
False.

In Battlefield and other games that loves cores you will see an advantage on the 2600k due to HT
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post #107 of 130
Battlefield what? 2? Can't be 3...



The i7 isn't a gaming cpu, because HT isn't an advantage in many if any game, more cores/threads isn't helping much past 4, even dual cores from 1156 are as good as 1156 quad cores with HT in many games.

I have yet to see any review where an i7 on the same platform as the i5 provided any sort of benefit clock for clock, if you could link one, that would be great.
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Battlefield what? 2? Can't be 3...

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s...F/16e5d686.png

The i7 isn't a gaming cpu, because HT isn't an advantage in many if any game, more cores/threads isn't helping much past 4, even dual cores from 1156 are as good as 1156 quad cores with HT in many games.

I have yet to see any review where an i7 on the same platform as the i5 provided any sort of benefit clock for clock, if you could link one, that would be great.


Or may it be because the resolution is so low and not high on details?
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1 preview is using a beta bios(9905) for EXTREME OCing
1 preview is using a experimental(0.0.9.1) bios(0705) for FX-8120

Media is going to use 0813 which again is a beta bios

Other than the BIOS fiasco

Most ASUS boards are DOA for the 900 series chipsets
True. A lot of Asus mobos are DOA or something is wrong with them,that can mean a large percentage of them don't function correctly,hurting overall CPU performance. Not an excuse,just a possibility.
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3870K remove the GPU and call it a 6870K add a L3 with 8mb and boom add avx capabilities and we got a serious contender

14-16mm^2 per core isn't that bad when compared to Bulldozer which is basically the same size
Once the GPU is removed and 8MB of L3 cache is added along with a AVX instruction,you have a K10 with improved IPC,or a Phenom III X4 BE.
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he ran the test with teamviewer running with 300 people watching? he destroyed all credibility there, teamviewer is a cpu hog
Exactly.
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Or may it be because the resolution is so low and not high on details?
Yeah, this is meant to completely isolate the CPU. If you look at the framerates they're all well above 100. At normal resolutions and detail you won't see a meaningful difference in (any?) games.
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