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Originally Posted by SCollins View Post
Could be that reviewers under NDA do have the fix's, but not everyone else ? If you wanna find out where the boat leaks, put it in the water.
OMG just read your sig... that is funny stuff, yet explains AMD vs Intel quite well

Also, a healthy dose of skepticism is good for us. We should all beware that as of date the benches leaked for BD are not looking that great, so lets try not to expect a 2600K killer.

On the other hand, theres been a lot of repeating coming from AMD stating you have to wait till launch to know BD's true performance and they gave some good reasons... And since a really trusted review site thats 100% guaranteed to have everything in 100% working order to release, benchmarks we should be hopeful of something better.

No need for people to argue, there are valid arguments for both sides really, but since neither have been proven correct YET, we should not be preaching anything as fact.

My guess is about ~10% behind 2500K in games and low threaded apps both at stock, while beating the 2500K in OCing ability. I also think it will have between 10% and 20% lead in threaded performance.

As to comparing it to a 2600K, I think AMD's price point shows they won't likely compete here, but they really don't need to... at all...

Thats just my opinion of what I have seen so far.
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post #92 of 130
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I assume that the people that are picked by AMD for REAL reviews have the proper bios and SW patches and what-not. The guy who bought his CPU in a store in Ukraine that didn't know how to install ram in Dual channel likely doesn't have a bios that likely won't be public till AFTER launch and NDA lifts... So why people keep giving so much weight to this one bench result from a very suspect person is beyond comprehension. Not to mention a lot of the other leaks were from sources like OBR and DH which do not likely have the right Bios and SW either... lets be patient.

I'll just wait 2 days and see whats right, either way doesn't matter to me, but to have a pissing contest about it b4 we have any legit details is absurd...
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Could be that reviewers under NDA do have the fix's, but not everyone else ? If you wanna find out where the boat leaks, put it in the water.
ok,look guys,im not saying these leaks are representitive and i am waiting until we have the full picture.im only pointing out this is not how you do proper launch.the reviewer im refering to has signed an NDA,he also stated he has the press kit AMD sent him,he also said at first they wanted him to send back the BD sample the next day,he had to call to keep it over the weekend,they agreed.he also got in trouble for posting hints about what he was seeing and was told to delete the posts and had to contact others who quoted him and ask that they also delete the info.that being said,if true,these first batch of reviews will be scewed and not representative at all,correct?

but my main point is,no matter how the performance turns out,AMD messed this launch up big time.if they had a perfect working cpu on their hands they would release it and allow reviewers to review it on an optimal working platform,right? not do this bio,SW patch,new micro-code will make things better excuse thing.this is not what any company would allow to happen for launch,allowing bad performance rumors to permiate the web they would avoid this with all costs to make the launch as successful as possible.something went wrong and they are making the best of it but still it is what it is,a (soon to be)very botched launch no matter how much you want to put your hands over your ears and say i cant hear you so you wont have to hear the truth.

and i for one will still buy BD no matter what because i do think it will be just fine,and i also think AMD will be just fine and sell many of these BD chips.

again im just pointing out this isnt the best scenario for a successful launch.something went wrong.

and fuell i couldnt agree more with this
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Also, a healthy dose of skepticism is good for us
im finding it outright insane that some people have veered so far from this path,we all want BD to be great and i hope it is,but common sense says it might now be what we expected.IMO
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post #93 of 130
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My guess is about ~10% behind 2500K in games and low threaded apps both at stock, while beating the 2500K in OCing ability. I also think it will have between 10% and 20% lead in threaded performance.
It's more like 2-8% behind in video games w/ 2500K and 10-30% w/ 2600K (The games that were used were dual-core so it is mainly MT)
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Let's form a circle and sing kumbaya while we wait a few days for more reviews?
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Let's form a circle and sing kumbaya while we wait a few days for more reviews?
Only if you bring something to smoke !
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My opinion is there have been a ton of benchmarks in the past few months, all of which are pretty much in the same ballpark as far as performance goes. Add this and the fact that AMD has been very tight lipped about performance numbers, and i have to think that BD is not going to be impressive. I could be wrong, but it just seems to me that if you knew you had a great thing going, you would be bragging at least a little bit
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I would like to point out that I consider none of the benchmarks and information being released before NDA lift to be accurate, believable, or representative of the final product. There are several BIOS optimizations, kernel updates, driver updates, etc. that have not been released that may address performance issues with these setups - just as JF-AMD has said in several posts, including the BD pre-launch FAQ thread. This post I just found is a good example of what I am talking about:
I wonder if botched sw-releases (patches) might have been the reason for one or more delays.

I'm still going to buy BD. If the 8150 is as bad as some people have shown, I will probably go for a 4 or 6 core and try to unlock it and then do a big update when BD-E comes.

I'm still hoping though
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400 people watched live as he did tests for hours. He didn't fake anything heavy. Its over people. Its been confirmed. Bd is a dud
he ran the test with teamviewer running with 300 people watching? he destroyed all credibility there, teamviewer is a cpu hog
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post #99 of 130
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My opinion is there have been a ton of benchmarks in the past few months, all of which are pretty much in the same ballpark as far as performance goes.
I know when I had bios problems with my thuban rig, performance was horrific. Updated the bios and scores improved by over 50%. so a broken bios can do ALOT of harm.



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Add this and the fact that AMD has been very tight lipped about performance numbers, and i have to think that BD is not going to be impressive.
That could go either way.


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I could be wrong, but it just seems to me that if you knew you had a great thing going, you would be bragging at least a little bit
Not when your the underdog, you don't brag.
post #100 of 130
my feeling is with the delays they realized there were issues with the cpu being utilized correctly. with the way they are acting about the NDA and talking about how nothing pre-released with come close to BD true performance, im guessing they will have a bios/driver update. thats my 2C
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