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Originally Posted by Redwoodz View Post
Sorry, that means nothing to me. First of that is not the standard version of wprime that everyone compares. wprimev1.55 is. That version shows the actul speed in the browser. Nothing here tells me what settings the test where actually run at, nor the NB/HTT/RAM speeds. Your tester couldn't even install the RAM correctly, which was installed in single-channel mode. The OCN mod had nothing to do with these tests, you just supplied him with a feed. So you seem to be trying to buy legitimacy by associating yourself to OCN. And I was watching. Again


wprimev2.05 with an hwbot tag and no CPU system info. The right bench should be like this


You expect me to believe that? It is very easy to take a screenshot of a bench, then change the frequencies and load CPUz on top of the screen shot. I'm not saying this is or isn't true BD performance, I'm just not willing to accept vague benchmark results as my proof.
Please don't spew incorrect information. Ram was running in dual channel mode. If you'd bothered to read the thread or watched the benches live earlier, you would've known that.

Secondly, what part of THESE BENCHES WERE PERFORMED LIVE BY AN OCN MODERATOR do you not get? Easy to take a screen shot and then modify? What on earth are you talking about?

I guess Bassplayer (the mod that tested this) also has a DeLorean time machine that he used while running these things LIVE so he could modify the results so all the HUNDREDS of other viewers watching LIVE would be fooled?

And lastly, that version of wprime was used because the standard version wouldn't run.

But again, if you'd have just read that thread, or watched the benchmarks, or listened to what we've been saying, you would've known that.

I get so tired of repeating myself. Read the original thread people, or just read this summary:

BD is not what AMD made it out to be. Let's hope for a BIOS fix or some magical patch from AMD\\MSFT that will fix it. Because right now it's a disappointment (at current prices).
Edited by black96ws6 - 10/10/11 at 11:32am
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The screenshot with the black background, was done by BassPlayer (mod here on OCN). I watched the live stream of it, and witnessed the cpu-z shots. He used Teamviewer to remote into the machine running the benches so not to waste resources on the BD machine while running the benches.

To me something doesn't seem right about the results we are seeing from everyone. Too many fluctuations in test results across what we have seen so far. We will see for ourselves in 2 days so lets leave it at that and stop arguing about the results we have seen.

***I AM NOT SAYING BASSPLAYER DID ANYTHING FISHY TO SKEW THE RESULTS***
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When you say live you mean he was there, setting up the system and settings? NO. Very easy for someone to have different overclock profiles hotkeyed. Again, no conspiracy theories here, just stating FACT.
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Seriously, for someone that says they watched the results themselves to get so many things wrong, it really makes me wonder if they did watch.

And I didn't "Supply him with a feed"...again, spewing incorrect information.

Bass logged into the computer remotely himself, the only thing I gave him was a login and password! The only "feed" was of him streaming his work LIVE.

Sheesh. Some people just refuse to admit they're wrong.
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Seriously, for someone that says they watched the results themselves to get so many things wrong, it really makes me wonder if they did watch.

And I didn't "Supply him with a feed"...again, spewing incorrect information.

Bass logged into the computer remotely himself, the only thing I gave him was a login and password! The only "feed" was of him streaming his work LIVE.

Sheesh. Some people just refuse to admit they're wrong.
You have to be careful, because those benches still can't be trusted. He is not a reviewer, he was not sent a chip from AMD, he was not supplied with launch day BIOS or AGESA code and many other things. There were a lot of "that doesn't make sense" happening in those benches, and theres a reason.

Yes those benches were performed on the actual chip and the results are real. But they can't be believed to be 100% accurate as per the reasons above. Going around and preaching about these results to people as if they were benched by god himself isn't doing anyone any good.

Yes, they make an argument that AMD MIGHT be heading for some pain, but they might be completely off the mark. Its up in the air at this point, so untill we see NDA lifted and a real launch, we should be taking EVERY leak, with a massive grain of salt and think objectively, no matter how much we want to believe, there are simply too many what ifs... simple as that.
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I should also point out I was defending BD as early as a couple weeks ago.

Ask Dmac, was arguing with him stating IPC couldn't possibly be worse, BD has 4 uops per cycle compared with PH2's 3.

Even quoted JF-AMD quite a few times with his "How many times do I have to tell you, IPC increases! Is someone getting paid by Intel" speech, or his "PH has to share, so it's technically 1.5 ALU and AGU. With BD you get 2, much better".

Now that I've seen reality, I refuse to defend it any longer.

Here, SEE FOR YOURSELF. I use to Vigorously defend BD!! Look at my posts:

http://www.overclock.net/rumors-unco...wprime-25.html
Edited by black96ws6 - 10/10/11 at 11:55am
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I hope BD flops so some people can learn to not count on pure speculation.

It's funny and sad seeing people buy AM3+ 6 months ago thinking BD would be some out of this world invention. They'll probably end up paying significantly more for lower performance. Then again AMD is the cost-efficient route right?

I might not even have to change my system name.

I really hope BD won't perform to it's abilities without another motherboard much like AM2+ and AM3 so people can learn not to buy upgrades in anticipation of a product that hasn't even been released.
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Maybe the 2500k, def not the 2600k.
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Check the threads from yesterday. Bulldozer saw the bridge, veered right and went off the cliff.
Hey atleast it went somewhere fast for a minute.
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OK lads. Remember that the average joe who buys his PC from walmart doesn`t look at benches.

Besides all other thread regarding BDs performance and such have been closed. How many seconds will this thread keep open?
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