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So pretty much here is the new stock cooler that everyone is going to say is crap and that you should replace after it comes out.
    
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I'd run with it if it was included, but it looks like its a sold separately item. Maybe if they extended the CPU warranty to cover OC'ing when using their self-contained unit?

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Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post
They are a real PITA to clean without damage, compared to an ordinary air cooler.
And yes, I have used one.
I've been using my H50 for almost 2 years, its ridiculously easy to install and remove compared to the 4 different high-end air coolers I have in the closet. I don't even have to contort my hands like pretzels to install screws at a 45 degree angle so I don't bend the fins! When the rad is dirty, I run it under the faucet for 5 seconds and its done. Even my piece of crap H50 manages the same temps as the high end tower-of-power-cover-everything-in-an-eclipse air coolers, I've used it on everything from a 955BE to an i7 980x at 4.5Ghz, never let me down.
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cooper doesnt look that great though...the pictures might have been horribly shot..
but at least they should have it nice and shiny
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Originally Posted by smash_mouth01 View Post
OK:

1) a Rad would be hell to clean compared to a HSF.

2) 4-6 retention bolts for most air coolers in one location, 8 for the all in one in two locations. Sounds harder to install to me, but then again there's nothing wrong with making things harder for yourself.

3) For best results it has been recommended that with these all in ones are set in a way that it draws cool air from the back of the case and dumps into the case.

4) None of those kits beat the top air coolers out of the box at all, only after fitting them with better fans in push pull nets results similar or beat the air coolers. Now with that, it drives the price of the original kit dramatically up, to the point that you would be better off getting the RASA kits and beat both.

5) I am guessing that the fan included would be of decent RPM's, I wonder how it would compare with the:

Noctua:

NF-P12 19-20 dBA
NF-P14 FLX ''

Thermalright:

TY-140 17-21 dBA

I do have to agree on the case real-estate point you made about the air coolers, but as for being to heavy for mobo's. That is so not the case.
1) You just blast air through the rad and you're done.

2) Neither is hard to install, screwing in the retention bolts accounts for approximately 1% of the time you have to spend installing a cooler if I were to really estimate it...between taking off the case sides, mounting the mobo backside bracket, getting the stuff out of the package and ready to go, etc.

3) Doesn't really matter either way. You're looking at 1-2 degrees difference.

4) The good kits beat the air coolers out of the box, not really sure where you're getting this info from. H100 for example will beat the Noctua with stock fans doing only push.

5) In terms of noise, I run my H100 on the lowest setting, get amazing temps (rad has a ton of surface area that dissipates heat well no matter what the fan speeds are). I literally can't hear my computer at all.

I used to do the air cooling thing. We all used to really I suppose cause it was either air cooling or custom loops...and thats a bit time and money investment comparatively.

After working with the H70, H80 and H100 in my latest builds, the performance is amazing, the installs are REALLY fast, they're super quiet and they support 1.5v overclocks happily.

Air cooling is great up to a certain threshold and probably posts VERY similar numbers as water cooling on a 4 GHz 2600k chip. Once you crank that puppy to 5 GHz though, the air coolers get left behind.

The MAIN benefit to me is just how clean the case is with a pump + rad set up. There's room for a RAM cooler and the heat spreaders on the Mobo parts have more room for convection as well. It just really makes for a more refined system I feel.
Edited by kweechy - 10/10/11 at 9:00pm
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I've got to give mad props to Intel though. At least they are trying. My original 980x heatsink was able to cool my chip @ 4ghz fairly efficient.
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I've got to give mad props to Intel though. At least they are trying. My original 980x heatsink was able to cool my chip @ 4ghz fairly efficient.
I remember taking that out of the box after seeing those dinky little HSF's AMD and intel both included stock for years and was like
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However, the screws on the water kits are generally much, much easier to access than those on large air coolers.



A little canned air makes it stupid easy. I've been WC'ing for several years now and never had difficulty cleaning it.
Agreed on both counts, although when you're like me and can't always get access to some canned air, air coolers take cleaning a lot better.

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You kidding me?? 2 more screws ?!?! eff you !!! (jk btw)

IT IS harder..

oh yea.. cleaning a rad = sooo hard
As well as all the tubing, wire routing, etc.

Seriously, WC is a lot harder to use than air cooling, you're talking to someone who has both.
(That said, kits like this aren't too much harder to use)

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I've been using my H50 for almost 2 years, its ridiculously easy to install and remove compared to the 4 different high-end air coolers I have in the closet. I don't even have to contort my hands like pretzels to install screws at a 45 degree angle so I don't bend the fins! When the rad is dirty, I run it under the faucet for 5 seconds and its done. Even my piece of crap H50 manages the same temps as the high end tower-of-power-cover-everything-in-an-eclipse air coolers, I've used it on everything from a 955BE to an i7 980x at 4.5Ghz, never let me down.
Running my RS240 under the faucet never worked for me.
    
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I bet the Intel engineers are thrilled that the marketing/accounting dept. is letting them use a better stock cooler. It gives them more thermal room for adding cool features if they can assume that absolutely everyone who owns the chip will have enthusiast-level cooling.
Edited by willis888 - 10/25/11 at 8:15pm
post #89 of 124
Please don't use pushpins on these coolers too intel.

Please.
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Originally Posted by Juggalo23451 View Post
guess what corsair,amd and intel are using nothing but asetek or cool it coolers. They are the same exact thing just branded to different companies
True, I wouldn't' even attack that point, it's true.

The issue arises that Corsair [as well as Antec] can practically dedicate a support agent to you in a poor situation and cover you until the end. With a huge [in relation to Corsair or Antec] company like Intel / AMD I have an awkward feeling that the process for hardware replacement after failure will be a convoluted mess. I really hope I'm wrong, but I just mentally can't picture the RMA / replacement process with Intel / AMD to be anywhere near as smooth as with Corsair or Antec. :\\
    
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