Originally Posted by smash_mouth01
1) a Rad would be hell to clean compared to a HSF.
2) 4-6 retention bolts for most air coolers in one location, 8 for the all in one in two locations. Sounds harder to install to me, but then again there's nothing wrong with making things harder for yourself.
3) For best results it has been recommended that with these all in ones are set in a way that it draws cool air from the back of the case and dumps into the case.
4) None of those kits beat the top air coolers out of the box at all, only after fitting them with better fans in push pull nets results similar or beat the air coolers. Now with that, it drives the price of the original kit dramatically up, to the point that you would be better off getting the RASA kits and beat both.
5) I am guessing that the fan included would be of decent RPM's, I wonder how it would compare with the:
NF-P12 19-20 dBA
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TY-140 17-21 dBA
I do have to agree on the case real-estate point you made about the air coolers, but as for being to heavy for mobo's. That is so not the case.
1) You just blast air through the rad and you're done.
2) Neither is hard to install, screwing in the retention bolts accounts for approximately 1% of the time you have to spend installing a cooler if I were to really estimate it...between taking off the case sides, mounting the mobo backside bracket, getting the stuff out of the package and ready to go, etc.
3) Doesn't really matter either way. You're looking at 1-2 degrees difference.
4) The good kits beat the air coolers out of the box, not really sure where you're getting this info from. H100 for example will beat the Noctua with stock fans doing only push.
5) In terms of noise, I run my H100 on the lowest setting, get amazing temps (rad has a ton of surface area that dissipates heat well no matter what the fan speeds are). I literally can't hear my computer at all.
I used to do the air cooling thing. We all used to really I suppose cause it was either air cooling or custom loops...and thats a bit time and money investment comparatively.
After working with the H70, H80 and H100 in my latest builds, the performance is amazing, the installs are REALLY fast, they're super quiet and they support 1.5v overclocks happily.
Air cooling is great up to a certain threshold and probably posts VERY similar numbers as water cooling on a 4 GHz 2600k chip. Once you crank that puppy to 5 GHz though, the air coolers get left behind.
The MAIN benefit to me is just how clean the case is with a pump + rad set up. There's room for a RAM cooler and the heat spreaders on the Mobo parts have more room for convection as well. It just really makes for a more refined system I feel.Edited by kweechy - 10/10/11 at 9:00pm