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please follow this link and add your full system specs into your posts. People will be able to help you better if they know your system.

If cooling is your concern with raising the voltage on your CPU, spend your money on a 1055T and a good air cooler like the H70/megahalem/VenX/NH-D14.

That will allow you to "safely" bump your voltage up as needed and save you from buying an expensive CPU/MOBO combo.

EDIT: yeah, waiting until BF3 is a retail release or waiting until Bulldozer is out would probably be a good option.
    
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This just isn't a valid question i5 demolishes the poor 1090t after OC but since you already do have the board and the 1090t would be a drop it all you really have to ask is, What do you value more? Performance or Money? You will save cash not going i5 but will definitely lose out on performance specially if you ever go CF. Good luck in your decision.
Also along the lines of performance vs money (spent or saved) is how long will the cheaper alternative last you until you are forced to spend money again? What if you save ~$200, but you are forced to upgrade again in a year for the next game you want to play? Its like buying cheap vs quality in other products. If you buy cheap, you end up buying twice. Buy quality and it will last you a longer time. Similar concept, but with performance, as the performance demand of programs and games increases over time.

I would definitely wait for BD and see how that turns out. It might lower the price of the i5, or an 4 or 6 core FX might be right for you. Worst case scenario, it doesn't affect you at all.
    
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Far and away, the 2500k is a better gaming chip
    
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there are no difference on high res gaming... in 1920x1080/1920x1200 ALL CPUS MAKES SAME FPS (+/-5) ...
    
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Wow so many replies in so little time...talk about an active forum.

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Without tweaking the voltage on the 2500k, you can get to the levels of the 1090T's max... You can hit 3.7-4.0ghz on a 2500k at stock vcore.

With a TINY bit of work you can get up to 4.5ghz; I think its worthwhile to spend some time to learn how to OC and do it.
In my opinion overclocking only has a marginal effect on performance. In the end raising the voltage, no matter how little, isn't worth a few extra benchmark points. Having said that my current Phenom is running with +.025 volts @ 4.0ghz and I couldn't be happier with the Overclock, but the chip just wasn't very good to begin with.

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id would suggest however waiting on the reviews of the bulldozer, to see if it outperforms. im not sure of the board that you have, but you may be able to upgrade to that without changing your motherboard. definately worth a 2 day wait IMO
Oh yes Bulldozer...Well I looked through the preview threads and like everyone else I'm a bit disappointed. Whether or not they're legitimate, or using the latest BIOS/kernel tweaks doesn't matter to me because I have an AM2+ board. But I'll still wait for official reviews before committing to anything.

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This just isn't a valid question i5 demolishes the poor 1090t after OC but since you already do have the board and the 1090t would be a drop it all you really have to ask is, What do you value more? Performance or Money? You will save cash not going i5 but will definitely lose out on performance specially if you ever go CF. Good luck in your decision.
To be honest I'm using a 4yr old board and RAM, so I'm more than ready for an upgrade. I bought the Phenom a few weeks ago so I could still return it for a full refund. Basically I'm not really losing anything by ditching my existing setup.

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The 1090T will perform exactly the same as your current AMD quad core at the same clock speeds in gaming.

The i5 2500k at bone stock will obliterate any AMD quad / six core at 4.0GHz (in gaming). Keep in mind, the 2500k will do 4.5GHz and higher.

Choice is obvious.
True, multi-core CPU's aren't used in a lot of games but BF3 is turning out to be that 1 exception. Funny how it's also the 1 game I want to play, otherwise I'd stick to my Xbox.

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Originally Posted by SyncMaster753 View Post
please follow this link and add your full system specs into your posts. People will be able to help you better if they know your system.

If cooling is your concern with raising the voltage on your CPU, spend your money on a 1055T and a good air cooler like the H70/megahalem/VenX/NH-D14.

That will allow you to "safely" bump your voltage up as needed and save you from buying an expensive CPU/MOBO combo.

EDIT: yeah, waiting until BF3 is a retail release or waiting until Bulldozer is out would probably be a good option.
Thanks for that link, I was wondering how you guys were adding those to your profiles lol. Cooling isn't my primary problem, I have a CoolerMaster Hyper 212+, and while it isn't anything amazing, it seems to be more than adequate for mild overclocking. I'd just rather not up the voltage on such a sensitive architecture, especially since gains will be marginal.

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Originally Posted by mad0314 View Post
Also along the lines of performance vs money (spent or saved) is how long will the cheaper alternative last you until you are forced to spend money again? What if you save ~$200, but you are forced to upgrade again in a year for the next game you want to play? Its like buying cheap vs quality in other products. If you buy cheap, you end up buying twice. Buy quality and it will last you a longer time. Similar concept, but with performance, as the performance demand of programs and games increases over time.

I would definitely wait for BD and see how that turns out. It might lower the price of the i5, or an 4 or 6 core FX might be right for you. Worst case scenario, it doesn't affect you at all.
Very true. Buying the X6 might save me a bit today, but I'd be losing out in the long-haul. Bulldozer is shaping to be another failure for AMD, especially since it doesn't actually cost less than an i5/i7.

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Originally Posted by yuksel911 View Post
there are no difference on high res gaming... in 1920x1080/1920x1200 ALL CPUS MAKES SAME FPS (+/-5) ...
Yeah I learned from my previous thread that at 1080p, the GPU will be the limiting factor, but I'm planning on playing at lower resolutions like 1280*1024, where from current experience I can say the CPU is limiting my card.


Thanks to everyone for the help. Looks like you'll have a new member in the 2500k club soon...unless the next generation of Intel CPU's(28nm?) release sometime soon. Is it worth waiting or should I pull the trigger right now?
Edited by naizarak - 10/10/11 at 9:58pm
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Thanks to everyone for the help. Looks like you'll have a new member in the 2500k club soon...unless the next generation of Intel CPU's(28nm?) release sometime soon. Is it worth waiting or should I pull the trigger right now?
Pull the trigger now if you have the money now. No reason to play the waiting game if you ask me. You COULD wait for Bulldozer to release (rumored to be released this week). That's the absolute LONGEST I would wait though. There's always going to be something better coming out, if you play the waiting game, you'll be forever waiting.

And the next generation Intel isn't scheduled to be released until Q1 2012 if I remember right. So it'd be a good wait.
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No contest, I52500k.

Hell, first gen I7's beat them also, even the phenom 970..
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I would wait a few days for reviews. NDA ends within 2 or 3 days if I'm not mistaken!
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there are no difference on high res gaming... in 1920x1080/1920x1200 ALL CPUS MAKES SAME FPS (+/-5) ...
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if we talk about bottleneck / gaming chip... go with i3 2100 everybody knows that the i3 can beat all cpu's in gaming...
That is because the GPU is usually the limiting factor the more eye candy is turned up. That does not mean that it is as good as the rest. If all that is being considered is the CPU (and motherboard by association) then you should get the best that you can buy at the time of purchase within your budget. If we are talking about a full system build where putting more money into the CPU would take some of the budget for the GPU out, then yes I would agree that you do not need the best CPU, as past a certain point the GPU has a bigger impact. However, he clearly stated that he is only looking at a CPU (and motherboard if its needed). And again, why buy something that barely cuts it for what you are doing, only to have it be a bottleneck next year?

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In my opinion overclocking only has a marginal effect on performance. In the end raising the voltage, no matter how little, isn't worth a few extra benchmark points. Having said that my current Phenom is running with +.025 volts @ 4.0ghz and I couldn't be happier with the Overclock, but the chip just wasn't very good to begin with.
You will only really see a significant increase if your CPU is the restriction in your system. Unless you do crazy overclocking using more than air/water cooling with crazy voltages, your CPU will last you the usefull life of your computer and more. Meaning you will upgrade your computer before your CPU dies.


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True, multi-core CPU's aren't used in a lot of games but BF3 is turning out to be that 1 exception. Funny how it's also the 1 game I want to play, otherwise I'd stick to my Xbox.
It is true, and more games and programs will use more threads in the future. But also remember than Phenom II is a dated architecture and on its way out.


Thanks for that link, I was wondering how you guys were adding those to your profiles lol. Cooling isn't my primary problem, I have a CoolerMaster Hyper 212+, and while it isn't anything amazing, it seems to be more than adequate for mild overclocking. I'd just rather not up the voltage on such a sensitive architecture, especially since gains will be marginal.
I don't know what sensitive chips you're talking about Overclocking nowadays is very low risk as long as you don't do something stupid or intentionally fry your rig


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Yeah I learned from my previous thread that at 1080p, the GPU will be the limiting factor, but I'm planning on playing at lower resolutions like 1280*1024, where from current experience I can say the CPU is limiting my card.
True that CPU becomes the limiting factor in lower resolutions, but not any more than the exact same setup on a higher resolution or higher settings. It becomes the limiting factor because you raise the limit on the GPU by lowering the stress on it, not because the CPU is any more of a limit itself. You won't get worse framerates gaming at a lower resolution/settings with the same CPU.


Thanks to everyone for the help. Looks like you'll have a new member in the 2500k club soon...unless the next generation of Intel CPU's(28nm?) release sometime soon. Is it worth waiting or should I pull the trigger right now?
Unless the tech is coming out in less than a month or so (depending on your need to buy), it is generally never worth it to wait for the next tech to come out. Buy when you are ready to buy depending on your needs and budget. If you wait for the next greatest tech to come out, you will be waiting forever. There is always something around the corner. AMD/Intel/Nvidia/etc. are all businesses. They will never stop producing new tech as long as they remain in business.
    
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