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Will this computational vs. power efficiency start decreasing once silicon chips can no longer be shrunk?
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Will this computational vs. power efficiency start decreasing once silicon chips can no longer be shrunk?
Graphene and other materials will be used by then

and at that point everyone would be on the cloud

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post #13 of 25
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Graphene and other materials will be used by then

and at that point everyone would be on the cloud

Will graphene be ready for manufacturing in 10 years? Silicon limit is quickly approaching.

Also would you play FPS games on a cloud computer from your phone? Cloud will not solve the need for increased server quantities to support all those calculations from thin devices. Cloud is not be all, end all. You are just shifting power consumption from local to server.
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This makes sense. As the chips can be miniturised using a smaller manufacturing process, they use less power at the same rate.
     
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post #15 of 25
Quote:
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Will graphene be ready for manufacturing in 10 years? Silicon limit is quickly approaching.

Also would you play FPS games on a cloud computer from your phone? Cloud will not solve the need for increased server quantities to support all those calculations from thin devices. Cloud is not be all, end all.
Cloud is the be all and end all solution.

Graphene is ready for manufacturing now.

Diamond gates(HKMG replacement) is ready for manufacturing now.

It is just to expensive but if both are used jointly you would be seeing high performance 100+GHz and large core counts once they start getting used
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post #16 of 25
bah! all the trees in the world can burn for all i care, instead of saving power lets use it to build bigger chips!
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bah! all the trees in the world can burn for all i care, instead of saving power lets use it to build bigger chips!
The problem with that is that bigger chips means more heat, and then you end up with the gtx480 problem of being too big and running too hot.
     
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post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by Seronx View Post
Cloud is the be all and end all solution.
Enjoy all the latency and lag playing CoD 19 and BF 19 over cloud with your underpowered thin device. Vsync mouse lag would be the least of your worries.

Quote:
Graphene is ready for manufacturing now.

Diamond gates(HKMG replacement) is ready for manufacturing now.

It is just to expensive but if both are used jointly you would be seeing high performance 100+GHz and large core counts once they start getting used
If graphene was ready for manufacturing, then why were scientists saying graphene has a problem of not being able to switch off. Semi-conductors need to be able to switch off electricity. Having an uncontrollable conductor is contrary to the use of silicon.
Edited by Riou - 10/11/11 at 4:57am
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Originally Posted by sLowEnd View Post
You're still comparing apples to oranges here.
It's an improvement in efficiency, right?
I'm saying Intel's improvement has been bigger than Nvidias.

It doesn't matter if Nvidias GPUs have loads better efficiency, Intel has been better at improving efficiency.
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I don't think you're trolling but the effect is the same.
Learn to difference between increase and numbers.
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Intel is still better at improving power usage over time than Nvidia

gpu's and cpu's arent the same and 2nd of all nvidia doesnt have their own fabs


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Cloud is the be all and end all solution.

Graphene is ready for manufacturing now.

Diamond gates(HKMG replacement) is ready for manufacturing now.

It is just to expensive but if both are used jointly you would be seeing high performance 100+GHz and large core counts once they start getting used
lol wut??? diamond

and graphene ready???


proof please
Edited by Fr0sty - 10/11/11 at 5:27am
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