Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Mice › CM Spawn or Xornet; what are the differences?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

CM Spawn or Xornet; what are the differences? - Page 14

post #131 of 273
Just finished testing the firmwares. Again i am using 500 DPI with 500 Hz and i tested on Roccat Taito MTW Edition (mixed colors black+grey+blue) and Mionix Propus 380 (hard, plastic). I will upload the results i got with Enotus Mouse Test.

CM Xornet firmware V50 (stock)

1CD - tracks perfectly
2CD - wobbling
3CD - wobbling
4CD - wobbling
5CD - stops tracking at all

Taito
410

Propus
410



CM Xornet firmware V52

1CD - tracks perfectly
2CD - stops tracking at all

Taito
410

Propus
410



CM Xornet firmware V55

1CD - tracks perfectly
2CD - stops tracking at all

Taito
410

Propus
407

Both V52 and V55 firmwares lower the LOD to ~ 2 mm which is excellent. However this also has an effect on the malfunction speed. Another thing i noticed is the Xornet works great on hard pads (atleast on the Propus). The firmware upgrades lower the LOD and the malfunction speed remains the same. I cannot make it skip on the Propus no matter how hard i try.
As a personal thought i think the Xornet is a great little mouse. I'm actually starting to like the shape. The sensor is jitter free, very accurate, little to no prediction and the DPI steps seem very reasonable. The LOD of the stock firmware is high, but above 2 CDs the cursor is barely moving and i wouldn't call that a problem. I'm actually using it atm with the stock firmware and "tape fix". I get a LOD between V50 and the other 2 firmwares (stops tracking a 3CD but at 2CD the cursor barely moves) and the malfunction speed remains the same as the stock one. It's pretty amazing how CM guys can make a mouse with decent sensor, big teflon skates, decent cord, omron switches, rubberized sides and all for 30$. Makes you think twice about spending 60 to 80$ on some laser mouse with many flaws. I would really like to see a real ambidextrous mouse from CM.
Edited by kaingosu - 11/15/11 at 1:27pm
post #132 of 273
I'm a bit confused about the two mice. Which one is now to be considered better? Spawn seems to have better features by the sound of it, what does Xornet better? Does it have less LOD?

I use the Spawn on Qck with v31 and it works great. I'd say LOD is more than I'd like it to be, but still better than most laser mice (I didn't try the tape fix yet, gotta buy that white tape). I experence no jitter or any kind of problems at any DPI setting. Could you enlighten me what would make the Xornet supperior (aside the pricing)?


I also would like to compliment CM on the Spawn. A good price for a good mouse. Comfort and performance increased for me with this mouse. And the ability to tune the performance of the mouse via the software is great, too. I'd even say it's a nearly perfect mouse.
Also the design is very nice, the red/black combo reminds me of some sort of a sports car (kind of reminds me of a Lamborghini because of the low profile).

I'd only wish the "cm storm" logo at the back was illuminated (there is already enough red light inside the mouse), would be easier to find the mouse in the dark, not sweeping it off the table accidently.
Edited by resis - 11/15/11 at 10:58pm
post #133 of 273
I remember reading the CM Storm Spawn had jitter problems at the 800 dpi setting. Was this fixed yet through firmware updates or whatever?


I like what I'm reading from kaingosu's last post. I was wondering if someone has tested the 1000 dpi setting at the 500hz/1000hz polling rate. Is it jitter/acceleration free?


Lastly, is anyone who uses the Spawn or Xornet a fingertip gripper? I just wanted to know what your thoughts were on the shape because the mouse looks wide to me.
post #134 of 273
Quote:
Originally Posted by careless1 View Post

I like what I'm reading from kaingosu's last post. I was wondering if someone has tested the 1000 dpi setting at the 500hz/1000hz polling rate. Is it jitter/acceleration free?


Lastly, is anyone who uses the Spawn or Xornet a fingertip gripper? I just wanted to know what your thoughts were on the shape because the mouse looks wide to me.

Bump for some answers, I am also wondering these things.
Murderface
(19 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 2600k MSI Z68A-GD65 EVGA GTX 680 Mushkin Redline 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Mushkin Chronos WD Caviar Black WD Caviar Black Hitachi Deskstar 
Optical DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Lite-On BD burner Samsung DVD burner Thermalright Silver Arrow Win 7 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG IPS236 KBT Race Enermax RV920 Lian Li T60B 
MouseMouse PadAudio
CM Storm Xornet PureTrak Talent Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD 
  hide details  
Reply
Murderface
(19 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 2600k MSI Z68A-GD65 EVGA GTX 680 Mushkin Redline 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Mushkin Chronos WD Caviar Black WD Caviar Black Hitachi Deskstar 
Optical DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Lite-On BD burner Samsung DVD burner Thermalright Silver Arrow Win 7 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG IPS236 KBT Race Enermax RV920 Lian Li T60B 
MouseMouse PadAudio
CM Storm Xornet PureTrak Talent Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD 
  hide details  
Reply
post #135 of 273
My Spawn has no jitter problems, and I use it at 800 cpi and 500 Hz; settings that some people here have said causes the jitter. I also use Windows pointer setting at 4/11, @ desktop resolution 1920x1200. Running FW Ver. 32 on a Mionix Sargas 460 black cloth pad. I was pretty much a palm gripper previously, and the most comfortable mice for me were the Mionix Naos and Steelseries Ikari. If those mice fit you, the Spawn will not be too wide for you either; from the high point forward, these three mice are shaped very similarly. The Spawn just won't fill your hand like the Naos or Ikari, but that gives you maneuvering room to use your fingers to fine-position the mouse, without moving your whole hand. I finger-tip the Spawn, and got used to it very quickly. I can't use a true claw-grip on the Spawn, because my hands are too big for that. I probably wouldn't find a claw-grip too comfortable regardless, but that's just me.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i7-3770K Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H Gigabyte 580GTX Asus 440GT for PhysX 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
16 GB G.Skill PC3-17000 2133MHz @1.65V Samsung Model 830 - 256GB SSD Samsung Model 470- 128GB SSD 2x Samsung 1 TB F3's in RAID 0 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG Bluray Combo Zalman Performa 10X Windows 7 64-bit Asus VG278HE 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
SS (Ideazon) Merc Stealth Corsair AX850 Corsair Carbide 500R CM Spawn 
Mouse PadAudioOther
Mionix Sargas 460 Creative Soundblaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1250 TV Tuner Card 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i7-3770K Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H Gigabyte 580GTX Asus 440GT for PhysX 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
16 GB G.Skill PC3-17000 2133MHz @1.65V Samsung Model 830 - 256GB SSD Samsung Model 470- 128GB SSD 2x Samsung 1 TB F3's in RAID 0 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG Bluray Combo Zalman Performa 10X Windows 7 64-bit Asus VG278HE 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
SS (Ideazon) Merc Stealth Corsair AX850 Corsair Carbide 500R CM Spawn 
Mouse PadAudioOther
Mionix Sargas 460 Creative Soundblaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1250 TV Tuner Card 
  hide details  
Reply
post #136 of 273
Quote:
Originally Posted by resis View Post

I'm a bit confused about the two mice. Which one is now to be considered better? Spawn seems to have better features by the sound of it, what does Xornet better? Does it have less LOD?
I use the Spawn on Qck with v31 and it works great. I'd say LOD is more than I'd like it to be, but still better than most laser mice (I didn't try the tape fix yet, gotta buy that white tape). I experence no jitter or any kind of problems at any DPI setting. Could you enlighten me what would make the Xornet supperior (aside the pricing)?
I also would like to compliment CM on the Spawn. A good price for a good mouse. Comfort and performance increased for me with this mouse. And the ability to tune the performance of the mouse via the software is great, too. I'd even say it's a nearly perfect mouse.
Also the design is very nice, the red/black combo reminds me of some sort of a sports car (kind of reminds me of a Lamborghini because of the low profile).
I'd only wish the "cm storm" logo at the back was illuminated (there is already enough red light inside the mouse), would be easier to find the mouse in the dark, not sweeping it off the table accidently.

Honestly, they're extremely similar in my book. They both have the same positives: good (if unique) shape, awesome rubberized material on the sides where most contact is made, nice light button presses on the primary buttons, excellent scroll wheel tactility. Their negatives are in the sensors which are always teetering back and forth between maximum control speed problems and high LOD problems depending on which firmware you use. Feature-wise, there is practically no difference between them other than different DPI steps. That's about the only thing I would let dictate my purchase on it, which DPI setting is best for me since you can't interpolate between them.
System 1
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 930 4.0GHz 1.25V EVGA x58 SLI LE EVGA GTX 560 Ti (950/1125) 6GB GSkill Ripjaws 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
1TB Spinpoint F3 + 128GB Crucial C300 Windows 7 Pro x64 Viewsonic VX2265wm 22" 120Hz ABS M1 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
XFX Black 850W Antec 1200 Steelseries Xai Steelseries 4HD 
  hide details  
Reply
System 1
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 930 4.0GHz 1.25V EVGA x58 SLI LE EVGA GTX 560 Ti (950/1125) 6GB GSkill Ripjaws 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
1TB Spinpoint F3 + 128GB Crucial C300 Windows 7 Pro x64 Viewsonic VX2265wm 22" 120Hz ABS M1 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
XFX Black 850W Antec 1200 Steelseries Xai Steelseries 4HD 
  hide details  
Reply
post #137 of 273
Quote:
Originally Posted by careless1 View Post

I remember reading the CM Storm Spawn had jitter problems at the 800 dpi setting. Was this fixed yet through firmware updates or whatever?
I like what I'm reading from kaingosu's last post. I was wondering if someone has tested the 1000 dpi setting at the 500hz/1000hz polling rate. Is it jitter/acceleration free?
Lastly, is anyone who uses the Spawn or Xornet a fingertip gripper? I just wanted to know what your thoughts were on the shape because the mouse looks wide to me.
I've always been a claw gripper. My personal opinion is that this mouse is made for fingertip grip unless you have very small hands.

http://assets.razerzone.com/peripherals-guide/mouse/images/clawgrip.jpg

Judging from that picture, if the back of your palm doesn't touch the mouse then you are fingergriping it. There is no way i can hold it in a claw grip and i have average size hands. I had to force myself to fingergrip it and because of the ring finger support i actually like it very much. If you decide to buy it and don't like the shape the 1st time, give it a few more days. My hand hurt a bit coming from a claw grip (Xai, Sidewinder X3, Logitech G1 etc) but now i have no problems at all and the mouse fits like a glove.
As for the acceleration you will have to wait for somebody to reply who is used to more than 400-500 DPI. I can't really tell if the 1000 DPI step has acceleration, or if it's just me not being used to that speed. I can lower the sensitivity ingame i suppose, but then it will be software interpolated so not very accurate. If i can't give you accurate informations, better not give them at all. I will test 1000 DPI for jitter asap.
post #138 of 273
Besides the sensor the other big difference is the 2 DPI buttons. Spawn can remap them via software, Xornet has no software. They are not in a convenient place but if you play more MMOs than shooters, two extra buttons really helps.
post #139 of 273
The Xornet with a grey supermat has amazing tracking speed at 500 dpi with stock firmware. I don't think I can cause negative acceleration but I can get negative acceleration at really high 1000 dpi speeds but its still quite good. Obviously you'd use a higher sensitivity with 1000 dpi so I don't think it'd be problematic at all. On the v55/v52, the tracking speed is slower since I can make it negative accelerate at really fast speeds but it lowers the LOD for those who are picky about it. I haven't seen any malfunctioning like on black mousepads. The xornet certainly fills the extra low sensitivity bill with 500 dpi and the right mousepad.

People who find the same performance as this should also post what cloth mousepad they use. It seems to be the lighter color to get out the max tracking speeds.
post #140 of 273
Any jitter at 1000dpi glockateer?
Murderface
(19 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 2600k MSI Z68A-GD65 EVGA GTX 680 Mushkin Redline 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Mushkin Chronos WD Caviar Black WD Caviar Black Hitachi Deskstar 
Optical DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Lite-On BD burner Samsung DVD burner Thermalright Silver Arrow Win 7 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG IPS236 KBT Race Enermax RV920 Lian Li T60B 
MouseMouse PadAudio
CM Storm Xornet PureTrak Talent Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD 
  hide details  
Reply
Murderface
(19 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 2600k MSI Z68A-GD65 EVGA GTX 680 Mushkin Redline 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Mushkin Chronos WD Caviar Black WD Caviar Black Hitachi Deskstar 
Optical DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Lite-On BD burner Samsung DVD burner Thermalright Silver Arrow Win 7 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG IPS236 KBT Race Enermax RV920 Lian Li T60B 
MouseMouse PadAudio
CM Storm Xornet PureTrak Talent Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Mice
Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Mice › CM Spawn or Xornet; what are the differences?