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what do you meen? that the fans wont be gettin enough juice to run full speed when needed, or something in the board could get overloaded?
well, cos then only one of them will use auto control or not? jizus, it's easier to OC this beast than to set the damn fans properly.

Well. it was only a warning, as I am not certain of the wattage draw from either fan. Or how much the board can supply.
But already JJFIVEOH is using a y piece with no ill effect (that I'm aware of), but he is only doing so cause he has the fatality board which he states does not allow dual cpu fan control.
Up to you if you want to use the y piece, but as I said, the Ext 4 Gen 3 has 2 cpu headers, which are both thermal/rpm regulated with one controller... you just have to look at the BIOS to see this:

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Also one last thing, (i know that by this time nobody gives a f*ck on my issue since it kind out turned out to be quite a Soap Opera) but i will try doing something diferently today.

Good luck with it bro... I don't think anyone doesn't give an F mate, for me, I just ran outta ideas. You persisted and that's what really matters.
I hope you get some resolve with it. If you were local, I'd come round myself and have a look... you just supply the beers ok wink.gif
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Good luck with it bro... I don't think anyone doesn't give an F mate, for me, I just ran outta ideas. You persisted and that's what really matters.
I hope you get some resolve with it. If you were local, I'd come round myself and have a look... you just supply the beers ok wink.gif

Hahahaha you bet bro, you bet
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Well. it was only a warning, as I am not certain of the wattage draw from either fan. Or how much the board can supply.
But already JJFIVEOH is using a y piece with no ill effect (that I'm aware of), but he is only doing so cause he has the fatality board which he states does not allow dual cpu fan control.
Up to you if you want to use the y piece, but as I said, the Ext 4 Gen 3 has 2 cpu headers, which are both thermal/rpm regulated with one controller... you just have to look at the BIOS to see this:
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I'm loosing you here mate. I had it connected like that before, but wasn't sure that in that configuration (each fan on separate cpu_fan connector) they are both auto controlled. If they are, I will gladly connect them like that again, cos at least I can see both fan speed in bios if not in win.
I just don't get the difference in 3 or 4 wire fans/connector. is there some good link that explains this on the newbie level?
I know that the 3rd wire is signal and I tought the 4th one is for PWM so the board controller is "communicating" with fan and "telling" it on which speed to run but what about controlling 3 wire fans than, are they controlled differently by changing voltage?

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I'm loosing you here mate. I had it connected like that before, but wasn't sure that in that configuration (each fan on separate cpu_fan connector) they are both auto controlled. If they are, I will gladly connect them like that again, cos at least I can see both fan speed in bios if not in win.

Yes connect them like that, as I said before you can check the rpm for both cpu1 and 2 with ATXU within windows for peace of mind, or as you said, in the BIOS.
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I just don't get the difference in 3 or 4 wire fans/connector. is there some good link that explains this on the newbie level?
I know that the 3rd wire is signal and I tought the 4th one is for PWM so the board controller is "communicating" with fan and "telling" it on which speed to run but what about controlling 3 wire fans than, are they controlled differently by changing voltage?
cheers.

Yep... 3 pin fans are controlled by voltage being sent to them constantly. 4 pin fans use pulse width modulation sent from the board telling it to turn on and off to maintain a set rpm (in a nutshell)
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Yes connect them like that, as I said before you can check the rpm for both cpu1 and 2 with ATXU within windows for peace of mind, or as you said, in the BIOS.
Yep... 3 pin fans are controlled by voltage being sent to them constantly. 4 pin fans use pulse width modulation sent from the board telling it to turn on and off to maintain a set rpm (in a nutshell)

hm, I found something interesting that I wasn't aware of. Could this solve my headache with the other 4 fans inside my case (affcorse I need to exchange them with PWM fans):

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gelid-1-to-4-PWM-Fan-Splitter-/390402486163?pt=UK_Computing_CablesConnectors_RL&hash=item5ae5cd2f93

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dynamode-PWM-Fan-Splitter-3-x-Fans-PSU-Cable-/380328868935?pt=UK_Computing_Case_Fans&hash=item588d5dfc47

is this only wires (seems to me) or is there some electronics involved? If it's just wires I can build this myself. I have tons of mollex and other plugs laying around.

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Geronimo,

Porm is right, one is controlled via voltage the other is pulse. For all I know if you got identical fans one with a 3 pin and one with a 4 pin then you might be able to control them equally. I don't know I haven't tried it. But I don't see why they wouldn't both be controllable. As far as Asrock intentionally setting it up like that, who knows. I don't think they planned for people to use a push/pull system, I think they made one of each so you could use either a 3 or 4 pin fan. What gets me is with my previous MIVE I could control both 3 pin fans regardless of whether or not they were on a 3 pin or 4 pin header. Honestly, I tested with one and two fans and didn't see a change in temps more than 1 or 2 degrees. I don't think the fan has that much impact on temps as long as it's flowing, it's more about your cooler.

If it means anything as far as your case fans, if it's really an aggravation I wouldn't waste my time trying to set it up so the fans are controlled automatically. You're better of just setting it up manually at one speed. If you have good air flow, increasing the case fan speeds under load isn't going to make any different in your case temps. The MIVE came with 3 temp sensors you could place anywhere in the case. When I tested that there was zero difference in case temps if I had the fans on full speed or at idle. Unless, you're like me and want to figure it out just for the sake of knowing lol.
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...Unless, you're like me and want to figure it out just for the sake of knowing lol.

that and the fact that I really want to set it up automatically. I want to achieve silence in idle (as much as possible) and good flow/speed when under load. I'm OCing my cpu and GPU when gaming, so It gets quite hot, especially in summer time and I don't like cold, so room is always around 23-27C.

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As JJFIVEOH mentioned, if you have identical fans, then they will run identically.
Given you have 2 different Noctua their RPM will be slightly different at a set level.
However they are pretty quiet fans when ramped up anyway.
I personally feel that having just one fan on a single block cooler is fine.
I know some people put 2 fans on a single block cooler, personally I tend to see this method as a hindrance to airflow. I've often wondered if having another fan perpendicular to the other would be more substantial.

The ebay items would work if you have a spare molex and the spare 4 pin chassis header... but if your case does not exceed 45 deg C, then it's a waste, as that is the lowest setting for that header. Again, be aware of the fan power requirements and what PSU you have.

In the end, if you have alot of cables, plugs and fans it wouldn't hurt to experiement. I am lucky in that the CM's Storm Trooper has a built in fan controller... which is another option you could consider, a fan controller. Personally, I don't see much difference in case temps whether the fans are low or high, but it is winter here atm, so we'll see in summer.
Edited by PormTroooper - 6/5/12 at 4:17pm
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As JJFIVEOH mentioned, if you have identical fans, then they will run identically.
Given you have 2 different Noctua their RPM will be slightly different at a set level.
However they are pretty quiet fans when ramped up anyway.
I personally feel that having just one fan on a single block cooler is fine.
I know some people put 2 fans on a single block cooler, personally I tend to see this method as a hindrance to airflow. I've often wondered if having another fan perpendicular to the other would be more substantial.
The ebay items would work if you have a spare molex and the spare 4 pin chassis header... but if your case does not exceed 45 deg C, then it's a waste, as that is the lowest setting for that header. Again, be aware of the fan power requirements and what PSU you have.
In the end, if you have alot of cables, plugs and fans it wouldn't hurt to experiement. I am lucky in that the CM's Storm Trooper has a built in fan controller... which is another option you could consider, a fan controller. Personally, I don't see much difference in case temps whether the fans are low or high, but it is winter here atm, so we'll see in summer.

hi. thanks for all the info and help.
which cooler would you recommend from noctua to get for: front intake, rear exhaust, side intake (blowing directly to gpu), hdd front intake.
as i understood from noctua site nf-s12b flx is the best for this but unfortunately that one is nonPWM fan.
I don't care if I get ~100rpm difference in fan speeds if I get different fans, I just don't want them to very different, but if I get 1200/1300 fans there should,'t be much difference?
I was thinking for the rear exaust to get ARCTIC-COOLING F12 Pro PWM but I'm not sure if I can get that one to "get along" with the others. I could get AC to work at 1200rpm max.
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