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Ive just bought 3x asus 3d monitors for 2d and 3d nvidia surround gaming thinking i had atleast enough muscle to power the resolution without AA ofc. But turns out i didnt .. I am slightly disappointed though, wondering if my drivers are the problem

I can play world of warcraft in 6040*1020 (corrected bezels) with 1x AA and the rest ultra settings and get approximately 60 fps. This normally wouldnt annoy me, but it seems like a need quite a lot of fps in order to make the peripheral vision smooth, as it seems like its slightly laggy with these kind of framerates.

In crysis warhead, i can get 80-90 fps with all settings on mainstream and 6040*1020 resolution with no AA. When i turn on AA or other settings, i get approx. 50 fps which is annoying due the peripheal laggyness.

It also seems like there is a problem with the perceived "distance" in the picure. I know the driver warps the peripheral view of the image to your sides, to make it seem more real when you look at the middle of the screen. This way it feels like the image "wraps" around you. It just seems like it does it too much on my monitors, airtificially enlarging objects when rotating my vision the the peripheral screens.

How the hell do people run nvidia surround on 2x gtx 470s, if my overclocked 580 (960/2100) cant run it properly? I get 14300 graphicsscore in performance 3dmark11 !

I cant justify, neither can i afford a new gtx 580 - i am kinda disappointed i spent money on the 3x monitors - how am i even suppose to run 3d haha ? Linustechtips says you need atleast 2 480 to run 3d vision surround, but i cant even run 2d surround with 2 beastly overclocked 580s??
    
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3d is going to be very demanding, and the quality is going to be pretty poor with less than 120hz screens. also if your cpu isnt overclocked then its bottlenecking your gpus, id also suggest ocing your gpus to get more performance.

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another thing is that suround and 3d arnt ready to be mixed, the glasses cut your peripheals down to the point of making surround meaningless. my suggestion is to overclock the cpu(around 4.5-4.8 if it can hit it), and push the gpus up a bit (around 855 or so on the core). the fps you listed isnt by any means poor performance.
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I have an i7 2600k cpu overclocked to 4.6 GHz, so it is definetly overclocked
    
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I have an i7 2600k cpu overclocked to 4.6 GHz, so it is definetly overclocked
and the gpus? refresh rate?
    
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Sadly, that's the reality of it. When you play the most system intensive games (ie. Crysis series, Witcher 2 maxed out, Metro 2033, BF3 beta), even dual 580's will buckle. It took me three 580's to really be able to handle all of the Crysis series and Metro 2033, and I *STILL* had to lower a setting or two when I had my Surround setup to keep performance consistent.

VRAM issues aside, if those are the kinds of games that you are mainly playing (or basing your idea of Surround), then sadly the GPU power just isn't there yet. Make no mistake, though, these cards can run the multitude of other games without issues; but for the bleeding edge games, they still leave a lot to be desired.

By the way, might I suggest giving Surround in Portrait mode a try? I, personally, didn't like how wide Landscape was and found Portrait to be MUCH more immersive in my gameplay experience.
     
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Sadly, that's the reality of it. When you play the most system intensive games (ie. Crysis series, Witcher 2 maxed out, Metro 2033, BF3 beta), even dual 580's will buckle. It took me three 580's to really be able to handle all of the Crysis series and Metro 2033, and I *STILL* had to lower a setting or two when I had my Surround setup to keep performance consistent.

VRAM issues aside, if those are the kinds of games that you are mainly playing (or basing your idea of Surround), then sadly the GPU power just isn't there yet. Make no mistake, though, these cards can run the multitude of other games without issues; but for the bleeding edge games, they still leave a lot to be desired.

By the way, might I suggest giving Surround in Portrait mode a try? I, personally, didn't like how wide Landscape was and found Portrait to be MUCH more immersive in my gameplay experience.
Im not sure that my monitors have the swivel option, but i will certainly give it a try hehe. But my performance isnt inferior to the performance other ppl are getting with this setup? This is my main concern, as i have a that my hardware is failing. Maybe 2x of the worlds most powerful gaming gpu just doesnt cut how the hell can the run **** like this then:
    
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Im not sure that my monitors have the swivel option, but i will certainly give it a try hehe. But my performance isnt inferior to the performance other ppl are getting with this setup? This is my main concern, as i have a that my hardware is failing. Maybe 2x of the worlds most powerful gaming gpu just doesnt cut how the hell can the run **** like this then: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPCJh8tYri0
your performance is on par dont worry about that. i must say that after liquid cooling mine and overclocking them i did see a reasonable performance boost over the stock clocks(5-20ish fps on various games). i must say that 3d is pretty cool, but the technology is a little behind, if i were to upgrade to 3d it would only be my center monitor(due to the glasses), unfortunately for you, youve already bought 3 of them.
    
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Unfortunatly people are too quick to recommend Nvidia Surround around here, it is a kinda cool thing to have but like others said it takes a hell of a lot of GPU power to make it even worthwhile. And as for 3D Surround that's not going to be feasable until at least Kepler.

This is partly why i'm playing the waiting game atm, until at least SB-E is released then i'll assess my options for GPU's then. Monitor wise i think you still made a good choice to buy them, but a 3rd 580 would most likely be on the cards for 2D Gaming.

3D surround, i think we are a long way off to make that playable even with the most insane system build. The majority play 3D on a single 120Hz display.

Phatboy a member of this forum, uses 3x 30" screens on portrait mode for 2D surround, but it takes 4 Way SLI 580's and a CPU under phase to even achieve decent frames.
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Im not sure that my monitors have the swivel option, but i will certainly give it a try hehe. But my performance isnt inferior to the performance other ppl are getting with this setup? This is my main concern, as i have a that my hardware is failing. Maybe 2x of the worlds most powerful gaming gpu just doesnt cut how the hell can the run **** like this then:

-video-
Haha, I wouldn't look at Maxishine as a good example to follow; his upgrade habits are well beyond the means of many people on this forum. The last Nvidia setups that I saw him playing around with were Quad-SLI 590's and Tri/Quad-SLI 580's. Besides, in this video, he is using some variation of AMD hardware so I'm not sure what he was running at the time the video was made.

To answer your question though, I think your performance is more or less on par with everyone else. Like I said, Crysis (even Warhead, which is what Maxi was playing) are extremely demanding games. To even get close to a solid 60fps on a single 1080p/1200p monitor you would still need the power of two 570's/580's - therefore, with three monitors you can figure to maintain that level of performance would require even more GPU power.

I think of it this way: if you know what kind of performance you are getting with one GPU on one display, you should be able to figure out how well a given game will play in Surround. For instance, if a game gives you more than 60fps with a 1 GPU/1 monitor setup, you can assume that you should be able to maintain that sort of performance with 2 GPU/3 monitor config. Conversely, a game with less than 60fps on 1 GPU/1 monitor will get even less performance from 2 GPU/3 monitor setup. It's not a perfect scenario as scaling is not 100% perfect, but it gives you an idea of what it really takes to push Surround resolutions in excess of 6MP.

In my opinion, to play the bleeding edge games, it should be 1 GPU per monitor (or Quad-SLI if possible), but that is not a realistic setup for everyone. As powerful as Fermi is, we're still not there yet to have those games maxed out at native Surround resolutions, but again, those games only represent a handful of the games that are out there. Personally, I was able to enjoy the Assassin's Creed series, Need for Speed Shift series, Borderlands, GRID, Dirt series, Source based games, Unreal 3 based games, and many more with excellent performance on two 580's in Surround.

I think many on this forum get too hung up on the poster children games' performance - don't let that deter you from enjoying an immersive gameplay experience.
     
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Guess I should be happy I only have one monitor to game on.
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