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Originally Posted by Dapman02 View Post
I'm waiting for bulldozer and even I'm starting to get sick of these post's

If anyone that thought the previous bulldozer postings weren't legit, while these are, you need to take a good look at yourself and wonder what your doing with your life.

Me, I'm going to go eat pudding until Official bulldozer benches are released
mmmmmm....
Save some for me too....
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post #42 of 75
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Originally Posted by Lex Luger View Post
Performance per watt is by far the most important thing to consider with a processor.

A far comparison between the two processors would be one where they are each drawing a 100 watts or so.

In order to accomplish this, you must underclock the fx 8150, and overclock the 2600k.

This is what people who buy server equipment will look at, and anyone with a brain should look at.
It can't be the only metric you look at, it really provides little information without context. Take a tablet/smart phone processor for example; performance/watt is maximized. But would you ever use that processor in your desktop? Of course not. Raw performance is often just as important, if not more important to enthusiasts than performance/watt.
post #43 of 75
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Originally Posted by Iceman23 View Post
It can't be the only metric you look at, it really provides little information without context. Take a tablet/smart phone processor for example; performance/watt is maximized. But would you ever use that processor in your desktop? Of course not. Raw performance is often just as important, if not more important to enthusiasts than performance/watt.
I think we all know the context of his comparison...
    
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post #44 of 75
These benches are old, and a repost. They also do not show BD in an especially favorable light. They do seem quite plausible though.

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Originally Posted by FLCLimax View Post
if you have good cooling, could you run the same x264 tests? mine is stock cooling.
Without the same source video, the same x264 build, and the exact same encode settings, no one can run the same x264 tests.
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post #45 of 75
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I think we all know the context of his comparison...
Sure we can infer it, but if we make the inference that the context is within performance desktop cpus, performance/watt is definitely not the first metric I would look at when comparing value. If I was building a server, yes, but not a desktop.
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sure we can infer it, but if we make the inference that the context is within performance desktop cpus, performance/watt is definitely not the first metric i would look at when comparing value. If i was building a server, yes, but not a desktop.
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post #47 of 75
I am really interested in those encoding benches, that is something that could be nice. I definitely am waiting for clock for clock comparisons, and single threaded performance is not really important to me so if BD is slower that is fine.
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Umm still a fail. So not only will people need an expensive CPU that has mediocre single/multithreaded stock performance, but a top of the line AMD mobo that can handle providing 200W+ of stable power to the CPU to get any close to the competition, compared to a 2500K that can hit AT LEAST 4GHz on mini-ITX and practically any P67/Z68 mobo, no matter how bad, since the 2500K uses about 70W at stock with the integrated GPU off (99.9% of SB users will have it off), which leaves it some headroom to overclock. How are AMD users able to bring up price/performance arguments now?

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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post
A fair comparison would be at maximum clocks for each processor. So if the 2500k was stable at 5GHz and BD was stable at 5.5GHz you would compare them at those speeds to find ultimate performance....
Umm no. Overclocks are taken into consideration after the CPU at stock clocks has decent performance and energy efficiency, and if Bulldozer sucks at stock, even at 10GHz on liquid nitrogen it will still suck. If CPU companies thought your way, we'd be running 8GHz Pentium 4s.

I'm going to be waiting with anticipation for the Bulldozer reviews but right now, it's not looking good at all for AMD.
    
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post #49 of 75
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Umm still a fail. So not only will people need an expensive CPU that has mediocre single/multithreaded stock performance, but a top of the line AMD mobo that can handle providing 200W+ of stable power to the CPU to get any close to the competition, compared to a 2500K that can hit AT LEAST 4GHz on mini-ITX and practically any P67/Z68 mobo, no matter how bad, since the 2500K uses about 70W at stock with the integrated GPU off (99.9% of SB users will have it off), which leaves it some headroom to overclock. How are AMD users able to bring up price/performance arguments now?



Umm no. Overclocks are taken into consideration after the CPU at stock clocks has decent performance and energy efficiency, and if Bulldozer sucks at stock, even at 10GHz on liquid nitrogen it will still suck. If CPU companies thought your way, we'd be running 8GHz Pentium 4s.

I'm going to be waiting with anticipation for the Bulldozer reviews but right now, it's not looking good at all for AMD.
+1

Lets not all get too excited, release is just around the corner where we will see some true benchmarks
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I would have preferred that it trade blows with the i7 2600K instead, if this CPU performs worse than a 2500K in most cases despite having more cores, threads and cache then Bulldozer is an epic failure.
So you think AMD, with its very limited resources should go from Core2 performance to 2600K in one revision... Intel surely couldn't do this, and they have a MUCH bigger budget than AMD.

Please think about what you are saying before you say something silly. For AMD to go from Phenom II to ~2500K would be an amazing accomplishment, something even Intel likely couldn't do. Being objective isn't hard.

Edit? AMD cores are not what we think of "cores" anymore, that definition is outdated. Also, cache and threads do not make the CPU, there are many, MANY other variables at play.
Edited by Fuell - 10/11/11 at 9:28am
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