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For palm grip I recommend the Razer DeathAdder or Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer.
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post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by Prozac;15267234 
I use a palm grip on my Logitech G500. This is the shape of the mouse I've gotten used to: which is perfect - If a mouse doesn't offer the ability for me to use this grip, I won't even consider it.

So your only option is MX518/G400
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Ummm, I wouldn't say that. As long as the mouse has nicely contoured sides, basically one that is made for a right handed. Brand doesn't matter to me as much as feel and function.

Btw, I didn't know if that was a question or a statement CaptainBlame. I took it as a statement of fact, so you'll have to tell me.

Surely there are more options than the MX518/G400. The Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0 looks pretty cool. I'm open to try anything. I just want it to be optical, have a good feel, and have adjustable dpi so I can try some lower settings.

I'm learning here...I appreciate everyone's help. smile.gif
post #14 of 21
The IntelliMouse Explorer doesn't have adjustable dpi, you have to adjust Windows or in game sensitivity. The DeathAdder has adjustable dpi via the software(450, 900, 1800, and 3500 for the 3.5g and BE DeathAdders).
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post #15 of 21
You would probably like the G400 or Deathadder, personally I find the G400's shape more suited to a palm grip than the Deathadder. My hands would always try to claw the Deathadder like I do on my WMO.

If you do some browsing you'll find that the majority of laser sensors available these days have a number of inherent flaws that you will not find on Optical sensors.

The big one is the Avago 9500 sensor that is found in the G500, the G9x, the Xai, the Sensei, and number of other mice. That sensor has inconsistent positive acceleration on a lot of mouse pads, it has been reported that some mouse pads reduce the amount of acceleration found on that sensor but there is also negative acceleration problems as well. The negative acceleration is very common on cloth pads and I have personally made my G500 produce a lot of negative acceleration on my Talent.

Another laser sensor that has some issues is the Philips Twin Eye that is found in every single Razer laser mouse and a number of other mice like the CM Storm Sentinel. That sensor has jitter issues, and z-axis tracking issues where the mouse would track when you would press a button on the mouse.

Some people can still do really good with mice equipped with those sensors, however if you don't want to deal with those problems then a lot of Optical mice can provide you with a better experience. Keep in mind that not all Optical mice are free of problems, a lot of Razer Abyssus mice have jitter issues on cloth pads, the Kinzu's sensor is complete trash, and the 3090 sensor in the Spawn has jitter problems at 800 DPI and a low perfect control speed at 500hz+.

Sorry for the wall of text, basically if you want a good palm grip mouse then I would suggest the G400/MX518 or the Razer Deathadder depending on if you want mouse prediction or not.
post #16 of 21
Sorry I misunderstood your comment and thought you were looking for the g500 shape with optical sensor. Therefore my comment was a statement tongue.gif

After I reread your post I see you meant you looking for a grip where you control the mouse between thumb and ring finger. In which case you may not need to only limit yourself to palm grip. I think you will find the CM Storm Spawn the optimal shape for that kind of grip.

DPI on its own is irrelevant, it only makes sense when you factor in the game sensitivity as well. People make a big deal about 400 dpi only because the microsoft mice ran at that and they have been quality mice for so many years. If they were manufactured at 800 dpi we would be making a big hoo haa about 800 dpi.

I run my spawn at 1800 dpi and my QL sens is 2. If I hypothetically could change my spawn to 400 dpi I would get the same cm/360 if I set QL sens to 9, or 3600 dpi at QL 1 sens. So the idea is that you want to set your mouse to the optimal dpi it tracks at and work around that.

I think in the past high dpi mice didn't track optimally at high dpi and as a result high dpi got a bad rep. In the Spawns case perfect tracking can be achieved at 1800dpi so lower dpi is pretty irrelevant.
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by Vikhr;15269829 
You would probably like the G400 or Deathadder, personally I find the G400's shape more suited to a palm grip than the Deathadder. My hands would always try to claw the Deathadder like I do on my WMO.

If you do some browsing you'll find that the majority of laser sensors available these days have a number of inherent flaws that you will not find on Optical sensors.

The big one is the Avago 9500 sensor that is found in the G500, the G9x, the Xai, the Sensei, and number of other mice. That sensor has inconsistent positive acceleration on a lot of mouse pads, it has been reported that some mouse pads reduce the amount of acceleration found on that sensor but there is also negative acceleration problems as well. The negative acceleration is very common on cloth pads and I have personally made my G500 produce a lot of negative acceleration on my Talent.

Another laser sensor that has some issues is the Philips Twin Eye that is found in every single Razer laser mouse and a number of other mice like the CM Storm Sentinel. That sensor has jitter issues, and z-axis tracking issues where the mouse would track when you would press a button on the mouse.

Some people can still do really good with mice equipped with those sensors, however if you don't want to deal with those problems then a lot of Optical mice can provide you with a better experience. Keep in mind that not all Optical mice are free of problems, a lot of Razer Abyssus mice have jitter issues on cloth pads, the Kinzu's sensor is complete trash, and the 3090 sensor in the Spawn has jitter problems at 800 DPI and a low perfect control speed at 500hz+.

Sorry for the wall of text, basically if you want a good palm grip mouse then I would suggest the G400/MX518 or the Razer Deathadder depending on if you want mouse prediction or not.

Nice post sir, well said.
post #18 of 21
If you are palm I recommend the Zowie EC1, either that or a ms intellimouse
 
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post #19 of 21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by terr0rt0telc0;15293354 
If you are palm I recommend the Zowie EC1, either that or a ms intellimouse

Thanks. Which intellimouse were you referring to? Like the exact model number and all. smile.gif
post #20 of 21
windows mouse 1.1/3.0
a lot of razer mice go from 400-450 up to 800 just read about the older less crazy looking ones
the new logitech mice can have dpi lowered as low as 250 i believe g100/g300/g400 (not sure about g400)


also as to optical and laser. most people are picking optical atm simply because the laser mice are all marketing gimics. the philips fail eye, the adns 9500 with acceleration ew. optical mice just track well and dont have some problems the laser mice have. there isnt really MUCH of a dif between the 2 just the performance that the dif sensors have matter. laser mice tend to have really really good malfunction rates and perfect control speeds but then again those mice also have problems others rather not deal with and are deal breakers
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