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John Carmack has every right to be pissed right now.
Care to comment WHY he has every right to be mad at AMD? The CCC 11.9 drivers came out way ahead of the launch of the game, thus AMD didn't relase faulty drivers that broke the game because those drivers had no intention of supporting Rage.
Even the 11.5-8 drivers didn't help and I assume they were used to help develop the game for AMD platforms.

So unless AMD promised Carmack a release of 11.10 drivers upon the release of the game, you're comment is just .
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The more GPU vendors have to "fix" games the slower all the other games run.
Installing older drivers for older game sometimes works better since it doesn't have to go through so many API libraries.
No wonder Nvidia drivers crashes once or even twice per HOUR nowadays...
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post #13 of 39
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So basically all graphics cards are broken but your game isn't. Despite the fact those card's drivers work for... everything else. Makes total sense.
Yeah, I mean Nv didn't put any special drivers out for BF3 or anything either right.

It never takes a driver update for gfx card for anything to ever run, everything except RAGE works flawlessly on every single driver ever made.
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ATI already admitted to using the wrong OpenGL drivers.
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My ass, a game's graphical fidelity shouldn't be entirely dependent on 3rd party software. Neither hardware manufacturer has an obligation to make sure RAGE is working out of the box (so to speak) and it's pretty clear id screwed up big time. No less Carmack has been pushing off all responsibility onto Nvidia and AMD rather. If RAGE had worked flawlessly on old drivers and later driver releases destroyed that compatibility maybe Carmack would have a valid complaint. But as it stands AMD and Nvidia were the ones that FIXED HIS BROKEN GAME.
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ATI already admitted to using the wrong OpenGL drivers.
This.
 
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I will never buy a PC game that was developed alongside consoles. (expect for Hot Pursuit, which was a straight port I believe)
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post #17 of 39
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The more GPU vendors have to "fix" games the slower all the other games run.
Installing older drivers for older game sometimes works better since it doesn't have to go through so many API libraries.
No wonder Nvidia drivers crashes once or even twice per HOUR nowadays...
ATI's drivers didn't properly support OpenGL to specification. Carmack could have either coded around weird ATI behavior (which he partly did), and then be at risk to have things broken if proper support was patched in at a later date, or he could badger ATI to be standards compliant.

ID has been working with ATI, but they obviously didn't have the proper drivers done on time.
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I will never buy a PC game that was developed alongside consoles. (expect for Hot Pursuit, which was a straight port I believe)
Best game in world = Not buy because it was developed alongside console? Do you realize how stupid and illogical that is?

I really wish we could make a separate forum for such a poor mentality and game judging. Those who judge a game by the game, and those who judge a game on purely benchmarks and features. Nothing wrong with having both but at the end of the day a good game is a good game.
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post #19 of 39
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Originally Posted by Ecchi-BANZAII!!! View Post
The more GPU vendors have to "fix" games the slower all the other games run.
Installing older drivers for older game sometimes works better since it doesn't have to go through so many API libraries.
No wonder Nvidia drivers crashes once or even twice per HOUR nowadays...
If your install of nvidia drivers are crashing that would be an issue with your system.

I have 2 computers running nvidia GPUs and none of them have an issue with driver crashes.

I don't think other users generally have issues with the nvidia drivers crashing 1-2 times an hour. If that were normal, I doubt you would see anybody on OCN with a nvidia GPU, including myself. That generalization of nvidia drivers is baseless, and without merit.
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My ass, a game's graphical fidelity shouldn't be entirely dependent on 3rd party software. Neither hardware manufacturer has an obligation to make sure RAGE is working out of the box (so to speak) and it's pretty clear id screwed up big time. No less Carmack has been pushing off all responsibility onto Nvidia and AMD rather. If RAGE had worked flawlessly on old drivers and later driver releases destroyed that compatibility maybe Carmack would have a valid complaint. But as it stands AMD and Nvidia were the ones that FIXED HIS BROKEN GAME.

Edit: Also, that article is just regurgitating news from the past week. I doubt it's actually newsworthy.
Really? You do realize that NO modern game is going to run without installed drivers for your graphics card, right? If the driver doesn't work the game is going have issues.

Id had the game running fine on their test machines. The wrong driver was released by AMD and the fixed one they released broke compatibility with other games. This is not Id's fault.

EDIT: I want to give props to Carmack for all he has done for gaming. He is getting a lot of flack from some younger gamers who don't really know his history.
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