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UPDATE: Due to the [thread=1143670]sad, sad performance of BD in BOINC[/thread], i have decided to go with a 1090T. Will be building the machine around December.

UPDATE 2: Project is stalled until i complete my watercooling loop. Will build around Piledriver or just stick around to PhII x6's

I've been building budget AMD machines recently, and i've been amazed by the performance. Might not be as high as Intel, but temps, price, and chance to unlock have all catched my eye. Plus my very first two PC's were AMD, and i remember them fondly, so i've decided to go back to my roots with a new rig.

I'll build a decent machine for BOINC (F@H too, but it comes second). Ideally it'll have an octo-core BD as CPU, but if final benches do not put it reasonably ahead of PhII x6's, i'll go with a used x6 and leave myself open to BD-E as upgrade path (read it'll use the same AM3+ socket and 9xx's chipsets). Will also consider FX-61xx's if they can be unlocked, but highly unlikely.

I have not decided many things yet, like video card (might get a single 560 Ti for my gaming rig and use 3 450's on this one, don't know yet), RAM (might just pick anything that can equal 10+ GB and if i get cheap DDR3-1600, that'd be my pick), and the add-ons. When everything is assembled, it'll also double work as my HTPC (i'll be recycling some parts from it to save some money).

I do need that much RAM tho. If i buy an octo-core BD, i will use over 8 GB on BOINC CPU crunching, and that's not counting the OS and GPU crunching. If i settle with a hexa-core, i might pull it out with 8 GB RAM

So far, what i've come to decide (partly) is the following:

CPU: FX-8100 (~$200?) / FX-8120 ($220) / 1090T ($170) (I do not want to spend over $220 on the CPU, and stock speeds are null in OCing)
MB: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ($160) (Cheap, can mount 3 PCI-E x16 cards, and for BOINC, PCI-E x1 is enough)
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws 8GB DDR3 1600 MHz ($50). Might choose either this 12 GB kit or this 16 GB kit if i cannot find any other for BD.
GPU: 2x GTS 450 Owned (will add the 3rd when i upgrade PSU, i cannot afford it at the moment)
PSU: Silverstone ST50F-ES 500w Owned (more than enough for 2 cards and BD)
HDD: Samsung F3 HD103SJ Owned (no need for SSD's here)
ODD: LG DVD-RAM Owned (might upgrade to bluray reader)
Sound Card: Undecided (will try and see if the onboard sound of the mobo beats my SB Audigy 2 ZS)
Case: Generic Modded Case Owned (3x 92mm intakes, 1x 120mm exhaust, recycled form HTPC, can fit ATX Mobos)
CPU Cooling: Lapped H50 w/ 2 Yate Loon Mediums Owned (hope it's enough, otherwise might need to mod it or upgrade to a Rasa kit)

Total price for the build (basically CPU+Mobo+RAM) = $550 for BD, $450 for Thuban (adding international shipping costs and excluding any rebates).

Will start looking at the "Undecided" options when i start building it, roughly in a month (i want BIOSes to mature a bit), but might as well start looking at alternatives now.

Being away from AMD for a while and not having on-hand performance experience ever since my ole K6-2 (i don't count Semprons and Athlons, the ones i assemble, as performance), how does this rig look? If you got any suggestions, tell me. I do not have a "budget", but i try to be as cheap as possible but without cheaping out on important things.
Edited by Starbomba - 2/24/12 at 7:41pm
   
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GTS 450? Why not get a GTX 560 Ti? At least a 6870.
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Wow, someone actually made a thread about building a BD rig.

Kudos to your sir for sticking with it.
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BD isn't that bad, depending on the software you run, it's either slower than PhenomII or faster than a 2600k, or in the middle somewhere. If BOINC supports the advanced features on Bulldozer, it'll pound through those work units.

Since everyone is so down on the benchmarks, and haven't waited to see how software updates affect things, I'm looking forwards to a nice cheap platform update

Good on you for sticking with AMD. I'd like to see how this turns out.
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Originally Posted by NuclearSlurpee View Post
GTS 450? Why not get a GTX 560 Ti? At least a 6870.
Because i'll be recycling the cards i already have and just "sidegrade" my sig rig with a 560 Ti (i won't be mad or rich enough to add a 580 to an i3) since it already is more than decent for gaming compared to the big dogs (for more info check links on my sig). I just need a highly threaded, non-intel rig for BOINC. And 3 GTS 450 are no slouches for BOINC. Add 8 CPU tasks per hour, and you'd be racking some serious PPD.

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BD isn't that bad, depending on the software you run, it's either slower than PhenomII or faster than a 2600k, or in the middle somewhere. If BOINC supports the advanced features on Bulldozer, it'll pound through those work units.

Since everyone is so down on the benchmarks, and haven't waited to see how software updates affect things, I'm looking forwards to a nice cheap platform update

Good on you for sticking with AMD. I'd like to see how this turns out.
I just want something that can do 8 threads of work with a decent price. Also, i want to use AMD just because i'm bored of Intel, plus i can always reupgrade to SB-E as it'll use the same socket.

I'm also waiting for a couple BIOS updates, main reason i'll start building this in a month, and i'll choose the CPU last. I've never been delusuional enough to expect BD to beat SB, and much less with SB-E around the corner, but a couple BIOS updates are prone to increase performance a bit. Plus i don't wanna pay a grand for a CPU.
   
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Updated a couple things. Decided on the "lower end" octo-cores (i love the $220 price of the FX-8120), but i think i'll wait got the FX-8100 to come out to decide. If it is $10-$20 away from the price of the 1090t, i'll pick it. For now i'll just use two off my three 450's as i cannot afford a PSU upgrade.

The machines i assemble have el cheapo (but decent enough) Kingston ValueRAM, but i've hard that AMD CPUs tend to have more RAM issues than Intel. Is there any recommended RAM kits for AMD, or will any kit work with some tweaking? This is also my first time considering "high end" RAM (i've always been happy with DDR3 1333 MHz) so i do not know if the kits i've picked are good enough or there are better ones.
   
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Whatever became of this project?
 
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