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post #1991 of 6260
I am having mouse problems, and could really use some advice, but it will probably be tough. Any help you guys can provide will be great.

I have been using an original Razer Naga for some time, and then the 2012 edition of same. I do MMOs so it is a great mouse. However, I am 36 now and use computers for work and play, and the past couple months my (right) hand was hurting. Pain in the wrist a bit, but mainly the knuckles in my middle/ring/pinky finger, extending on into the webbing in the top of my hand. Using the mouse I used to love hurts now. frown.gif

Since then, I have tried a few different mice, but none were quite right, so I returned them.

Mionix NAOS 8200 - this was pretty good, I may ultimately go back to it if I can't find anything better, but wasn't perfect
Razer Naga 2014 edition - using this right now, it is passable for short usage but the hump in the back feels a little high, I can't find a way to comfortably rest my hand on it
Func MS3-rev2 - I thought this palm style mouse would be great, as it was a NAOS with a pinky rest. It was not... the "ledge" for the ring and pinky fingers is too slim, and I constantly felt like they were about to fall off, causing my hand to not be able to relax.
Razer Deathadder - I always loved the old Microsoft mice, and this has been favorably compared to those. I put it away the same day I brought it out. It was actually perfect for my middle finger, but my ring finger felt like it was being forced apart from the middle finger, and the tension of that was immediately uncomfortable. frown.gif

So, I'm trying to figure out what to take for a test run next. I'm wondering if maybe I've been going about this the wrong way... My problem is my hand hurts, I thought because it couldn't relax, as my original naga had more of a claw grip going on, with no support for the ring/pinky fingers. I've been trying palm grips to try to allow the muscles in my hand to relax, but often I feel now like maybe by knuckles would feel better in a claw grip, as these palms haven't been working out. frown.gif

It really is frustrating, I know I sound picky, but when you just want to enjoy your games, or when work has you mousing for hours a day (same mouse), you can't use a mouse that literally causes physical pain. frown.gif

Was hoping maybe someone had a similar experience and had some insights, or just some good suggestions. smile.gif I like MMO buttons, but insisting on that really slashes my options hard. frown.gif Most importantly, I just need comfort. I'm thinking maybe a relatively flat mouse to try next, as my main complaint about the naga 2014 is that it sits high and has a tall profile. Getting old blows. smile.gif Thanks all.
post #1992 of 6260
With an ambidextrous mouse, your ring and pinky fingers are forced to spread right from the middle finger, especially if the mouse is too large for your claw grip. You are then squeezing the right side of the mouse with these fingers from an awkward position - so it's not a great surprise that this could lead to pain over time.

A narrower and lower mouse could alleviate a lot of this stress, especially in conjunction with an ergonomic shape to suit your right hand.

Have you tried your hand at (pun intended) any smaller mice? This will mean sacrificing the extra buttons, but it's better than having to give it up all together. See if you've got a Logitech mini optical tucked away somewhere and see how that feels. It is 104mm long, which should still be ok for claw grip, but it's much narrower and shorter. I'm not necessarily suggesting you use this mouse, but it sits at the other end of the size spectrum compared to the Naga and should give you a second point of comparison to work from.
post #1993 of 6260
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Originally Posted by mandoris View Post

I am having mouse problems, and could really use some advice, but it will probably be tough. Any help you guys can provide will be great.

I have been using an original Razer Naga for some time, and then the 2012 edition of same. I do MMOs so it is a great mouse. However, I am 36 now and use computers for work and play, and the past couple months my (right) hand was hurting. Pain in the wrist a bit, but mainly the knuckles in my middle/ring/pinky finger, extending on into the webbing in the top of my hand. Using the mouse I used to love hurts now. frown.gif

Since then, I have tried a few different mice, but none were quite right, so I returned them.

Mionix NAOS 8200 - this was pretty good, I may ultimately go back to it if I can't find anything better, but wasn't perfect
Razer Naga 2014 edition - using this right now, it is passable for short usage but the hump in the back feels a little high, I can't find a way to comfortably rest my hand on it
Func MS3-rev2 - I thought this palm style mouse would be great, as it was a NAOS with a pinky rest. It was not... the "ledge" for the ring and pinky fingers is too slim, and I constantly felt like they were about to fall off, causing my hand to not be able to relax.
Razer Deathadder - I always loved the old Microsoft mice, and this has been favorably compared to those. I put it away the same day I brought it out. It was actually perfect for my middle finger, but my ring finger felt like it was being forced apart from the middle finger, and the tension of that was immediately uncomfortable. frown.gif

So, I'm trying to figure out what to take for a test run next. I'm wondering if maybe I've been going about this the wrong way... My problem is my hand hurts, I thought because it couldn't relax, as my original naga had more of a claw grip going on, with no support for the ring/pinky fingers. I've been trying palm grips to try to allow the muscles in my hand to relax, but often I feel now like maybe by knuckles would feel better in a claw grip, as these palms haven't been working out. frown.gif

It really is frustrating, I know I sound picky, but when you just want to enjoy your games, or when work has you mousing for hours a day (same mouse), you can't use a mouse that literally causes physical pain. frown.gif

Was hoping maybe someone had a similar experience and had some insights, or just some good suggestions. smile.gif I like MMO buttons, but insisting on that really slashes my options hard. frown.gif Most importantly, I just need comfort. I'm thinking maybe a relatively flat mouse to try next, as my main complaint about the naga 2014 is that it sits high and has a tall profile. Getting old blows. smile.gif Thanks all.

If you need something smaller, maybe the Savu or the EC2 would work. If not, the Naos 7000 is better than the 8200 you already tried, better sensor.
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post #1994 of 6260
1. What's your grip style?
Finger/claw hybrid. Mostly finger, I lift with my pinkie and thumb.

2. What's your sensitivity?
2500 on g602, 1200 on Mionix avior 7000.

3. What's your maximum budget?
No limit

4. Do you want additional buttons?
Yes, loved them on g602

5. What games do you play?
RPG and FPS, Also world of Tanks.


Here's my story. I bought Mionix avior 7000 first.
Mionix - Right mouse button died on me after 2 hours of gaming... It's double clicking. slightly lifting it fixes the issue for a couple of clicks, but then it comes back - clearly something wrong.

The mouse was nice, except it felt cheap and the side buttons feel really loose, so I'm never going back to the brand... Squeaky wheel killed the mouse completely for me.

I loved the shape, although it could've been a little shorter. I also loved the responsiveness of left (and for a while, right) mouse button. Snappy and short.

Logitech G602 - I'm starting to have cramps in my arm due to the shape + deep left/right buttons. I really want to like the mouse (for the amazing placement of side buttons and those 2 buttons next to left button) but I don't want to get RSI again.

What else is there for me? I' m looking for:

Responsive, snappy, quick buttons. Logitech g602 is too deep, Mionix avior is almost perfect.

• a finger-grip style mouse (right side has to be sloped inwards or with good gripping surface so that I can grip and lift it with my ring/pinkie).

• optical (laser mice are killing me with their huge lift off distance, even after tape mod)

• solid build quality

extra: similar shape to mionix avior would be nice, it was actually pretty good fit.

Amazon is going to hate me for sending back both mice but there's not a single shop that has gaming mice available...
post #1995 of 6260
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Originally Posted by SimonKaz View Post

1. What's your grip style?
Finger/claw hybrid. Mostly finger, I lift with my pinkie and thumb.

2. What's your sensitivity?
2500 on g602, 1200 on Mionix avior 7000.

3. What's your maximum budget?
No limit

4. Do you want additional buttons?
Yes, loved them on g602

5. What games do you play?
RPG and FPS, Also world of Tanks.


Here's my story. I bought Mionix avior 7000 first.
Mionix - Right mouse button died on me after 2 hours of gaming... It's double clicking. slightly lifting it fixes the issue for a couple of clicks, but then it comes back - clearly something wrong.

The mouse was nice, except it felt cheap and the side buttons feel really loose, so I'm never going back to the brand... Squeaky wheel killed the mouse completely for me.

I loved the shape, although it could've been a little shorter. I also loved the responsiveness of left (and for a while, right) mouse button. Snappy and short.

Logitech G602 - I'm starting to have cramps in my arm due to the shape + deep left/right buttons. I really want to like the mouse (for the amazing placement of side buttons and those 2 buttons next to left button) but I don't want to get RSI again.

What else is there for me? I' m looking for:

Responsive, snappy, quick buttons. Logitech g602 is too deep, Mionix avior is almost perfect.

• a finger-grip style mouse (right side has to be sloped inwards or with good gripping surface so that I can grip and lift it with my ring/pinkie).

• optical (laser mice are killing me with their huge lift off distance, even after tape mod)

• solid build quality

extra: similar shape to mionix avior would be nice, it was actually pretty good fit.

Amazon is going to hate me for sending back both mice but there's not a single shop that has gaming mice available...

There isn't a better claw optical mouse that I know of than the Avior right now. Just send back the Avior and get another one. Amazon will give you a free return label if you tell them it was defective. Mine is perfect and shows no sign of stopping, you just got a dud. All products today do that from time to time. Don't lose hope unless it happens time and time again...like Razer.
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post #1996 of 6260
The Avior is quite large for a claw mouse. You guys must have big hands, unlike me haha. I need something like the Mico to claw comfortably.
post #1997 of 6260
1. What's your grip style?

Fingertip...or palm, depending on the mouse and size. Claw is never comfortable because mice are too small/hands are too big.

EDIT - I lied...I just looked at my hand while using my G5, and even with the larger mouse, it's definitely fingertip still. Would have to be a pretty large (tall and long) mouse for palm to hit, so I guess my grip has changed over the years.

2. What's your sensitivity?

Been using a G5 for over 5 years...now a Storm Spawn...so I'm open to getting use to something new, but I did like 800 DPI/1000hz on my G5. Still not sure what to think about the Spawn, I've only had it for a short time, but I have found it works nicely for fingertip grip at 1800 DPI/1000hz.

3. What's your maximum budget?

Doesn't matter, but I don't want to pay $90+ to "try" something I end up not liking. I never really understood all of you guys with mouse collections, as my trusty G5 had served me well for many years, but it's sensor going...So I bought the Storm Spawn because it was on sale for $30. I do like it, but it doesn't seem very, I don't know, high quality? So now I can see myself building up a little collection of my own trying to find my next "G5", so to speak. I don't mind a light mouse, in fact, for fingertip/claw I much prefer a lighter mouse...it's hard to explain, but I can't see this Spawn lasting 5+ years like my G5, I guess.

4. Do you want additional buttons?

Honestly, just need DPI +/-, and a mouse wheel that doesn't cause any accidental middle clicks. Other than that, I never use any extra buttons.

5. What games do you play?

Anything...nothing competitive or anything, but I am OCD about my mouse and keyboard...I want something that will fit me and be able to spend another 5+ years with, and least in form factor. I don't use separate mice for different games, once I get adjusted with the feel of a mouse, I prefer to stick with it as long as possible. Mostly FPS games though.

6. Do you mind about prediction?

I would prefer no prediction, but can deal with it on the right mouse...tough to explain, but it comes down to feel I guess.

7. Other relevant information:

Don't want an ambi mouse, don't care too much about LOD, but lower is better. Prefer lighter mice, but can't feel cheap in the same regard...again, tough to explain...Spawn feels cheap. Wired, don't care about braided or not. Don't care about rubber coatings, grips, or any of that, as long as the mouse is ergonomic. Not sure about actuation force on the buttons, but I know I like the clicks on the G5 better than my Spawn. Sometimes I accidentally double click my Spawn instead of single, but I am still getting used to it...so yeah. Basically, I know people are going to recommend the Logitech G400s/G500s, but, I can't stand the looks of them. My G5 was the blue/silver version, the cleanest looking one...and even this Spawn is not going to keep a permanent home on my desk. I want something that looks nice, without being flashy. I want something that feels quality in my hand, and also has looks that back that up. I want something that I will feel comfortable looking at for the next 3+ years minimum...I don't care how comfortable a mouse is, how perfect a sensor is...if it's something I am ashamed to have sitting on my desk. So yeah, I have looked at both the G400S and G500S in store, and the graphics printed on the shells just make them look cheap...even if they are great.

So yeah, long story short, was using a G5 for 5+ years, just recently got a Storm Spawn that isn't quite doing it for me, and looking to try something new that I can hopefully stick with some time.
Edited by Aaron_Henderson - 3/18/14 at 8:54pm
post #1998 of 6260
1. What's your grip style?

Palm and claw (claw not so much). If it's any indication, I've been using my Razer Deathadder 3.5g for a little over 2 years now.

2. What's your sensitivity?

In CS:GO, 900DPI/ 1.1 game sensitivity = 16.5289 inches for a 360

3. What's your maximum budget?

$60

4. Do you want additional buttons?

Preferably a mouse with at least 2 side buttons

5. What games do you play?

Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, shooter games in general

6. Do you mind about prediction?

Yes, a mouse without prediction is absolutely vital to success in a first person shooter.

7. Other relevant information

An ambidextrous mouse would be cool to try. I'm a lefty but I've used computer mice with my right hand my whole life and it'd be cool to be able to experiment and see how my mouse control is if I use my dominant hand.
Edited by xD4rkFire - 3/18/14 at 10:39pm
post #1999 of 6260
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7. Other relevant information

An ambidextrous mouse would be cool to try. I'm a lefty but I've used computer mice with my right hand my whole life and it'd be cool to be able to experiment and see how my mouse control is if I use my dominant hand.

For what it's worth, my brother is left handed, but has grown up around right handers and as such learnt to use his right hand to operate a mouse. His ability to use the mouse with his left hand is not as good as his right, but it's still a lot better than anyone using their off hand. I think you could train yourself to the same level of proficiency rather quickly.
post #2000 of 6260
1. What's your grip style?
Palm (General Use) / Claw (Gaming)

2. What's your sensitivity?
Idk

3. What's your maximum budget?
$60.00

4. Do you want additional buttons?
Standard 3 buttons is fine.

5. What games do you play?

Mostly Dota 2 and sometimes LoL and RPGs

6. Do you mind about prediction?
Idk

7. Other relevant information:
Input anything else you want.

Rubber surface, Hybrid grip.


My previous CM Storm Xornet is acting up so I want to replace it.
Currently using a Logitech M100 for now.
I'm currently looking at the following mice: Logitech G400s, Steel Series Sensei RAW, Razer Abyssus, Razer Deathadder 2013, CM Storm Alcor/Mizar
Also, I heard they are going to a new version of the Xornet.
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