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post #2031 of 6214
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Originally Posted by Amperial View Post

Depends, the Kone Pure Optical would have a way higher lift off distance.

If your sens isn't too low i think the Zowie FK might fit your needs. Has kinda all of the things you've mentioned here.

The m45 seems like an alternative aswell.

I am at 400~450 CPI on my Sensei. What is wrong with the Zowie FK at low sensitivity and what is the differences in size between it and the M45?.

The FK looks pretty good~ I mean the shape of it is awesome and the button placements require no adjustment time over the ditching the sensei. My only concern is lack of software~
post #2032 of 6214
Need some help finding the right mouse biggrin.gif

1. What's your grip style?
Fingertip

2. What's your sensitivity?
Don't really know and don't REMEMBER if its high or medium but i play with around 1500DPI with around <2 Sensitivity in CS1.6

3. What's your maximum budget?
Around 30$

4. Do you want additional buttons?
Having them is okay i guess.

5. What games do you play?
Mainly CS1.6, others mostly FPS and occasional RPG or MMOS

6. Do you mind about prediction?
Yes

7. Other relevant information:
Used to have G300 but was uncomfortable for long hours of gaming and was stolen with my laptop

Considering Kinzu V2, CM Storm Xornet or G400s
post #2033 of 6214
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Originally Posted by RitzyBusiness View Post

I am at 400~450 CPI on my Sensei. What is wrong with the Zowie FK at low sensitivity and what is the differences in size between it and the M45?.

The FK looks pretty good~ I mean the shape of it is awesome and the button placements require no adjustment time over the ditching the sensei. My only concern is lack of software~

The FK has lower malfuntion speed due to having a custom lens. However it reduces the 3090s lift off distance.

Size wise i can't give you accurate info as i don't own them.
(You could check out tech specs and videos however, that's what i recommend.)

It doesn't matter though as they aren't that big to begin with. The only thing that matters is that they fit your grip style and maintain comfy. For that you need to test the mouse yourself.. You don't like it? Send it back and try the other.

Zowie's do not have software, correct. It depends on what you need. Are there special features you want to see?
Edited by Amperial - 4/5/14 at 11:22am
post #2034 of 6214
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Originally Posted by RitzyBusiness View Post

I am at 400~450 CPI on my Sensei. What is wrong with the Zowie FK at low sensitivity and what is the differences in size between it and the M45?.

The FK looks pretty good~ I mean the shape of it is awesome and the button placements require no adjustment time over the ditching the sensei. My only concern is lack of software~

The FK tops out at about 3.5-4 m/s. I personally use the Mionix Avior 7000, which is a mouse with the 3310 sensor, which the Rival and M45 both also have, but you probably aren't looking for the Rival since it's huge. 3310 mice top out at a ridiculous 5.4 m/s or so which I've personally confirmed with Enotus, and they are exact 1:1 mice. I too had a Sensei thinking I might be able to get used to it for FPS. Nope. I play on 70cm/360 on a massive Puretrak Talent and it works amazingly well. The M45 might be worth a look for you if your sens is like mine.
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post #2035 of 6214
before the 3310 came out, everyone wasn't hitting the max speeds of their mice. And they aren't magically hitting them now that the 3310 came out.

The max speed of zowie mice is concerning for a tiny fraction of people. most people can't go over 3m/s if they tried. While the lag in 3310 mice effects everyone even if they don't notice it.

as for the zowie's lack of software. Macros are illegal in most competitive leagues, so if you want to aspire to being very good at games, you can't rely on macros. Also, the lack of software should make it compatible with way more computers. Like i don't think any mouse maker that has their own software has it compatible with linux. So want to try a steam machine or steam os? With most mice, you would be out of luck, but not with zowie mice.
post #2036 of 6214
I could play a pro match with a 3310, no matter how much the whole smoothing debate rages on and people exacerbate the effects. It's very minor if it's there at all, but I cannot play on limiting sensors in terms of PCS. I don't want the limit to be anywhere even near any max speed that I'll reach during play. It depends on the person's sensitivity but the 3310 is a generally safe bet for just about everyone.

Not all is perfect with Zowie mice. Not only is their QC spotty, but their support is awful as well. The scroll wheel is AWFUL on my FK, half of the clicks have a completely different resistance than the other half on the wheel. Mionix is highly responsive and are really perfectionists in their craft, by contrast. It's not like they're immune to QC problems but their support is very helpful. No other manufacturer on the market would release a beta firmware as fast as they did to fix the CPI bug in the Avior, that is downright unheard of. The only thing you could possibly not like about the Avior is the button placement, some people are annnoyed by the other side buttons touching their hand while they play. Non-issue for me with my fingertip grip. The M45 is just very good as well, I need to try that thing already but it's been tough since my ex-gf no longer visits me and helps me try mice at Best Buy, she was my transportation. grr
Edited by metal571 - 4/5/14 at 12:08pm
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post #2037 of 6214
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Originally Posted by Atavax View Post

before the 3310 came out, everyone wasn't hitting the max speeds of their mice. And they aren't magically hitting them now that the 3310 came out.

The max speed of zowie mice is concerning for a tiny fraction of people. most people can't go over 3m/s if they tried. While the lag in 3310 mice effects everyone even if they don't notice it.

as for the zowie's lack of software. Macros are illegal in most competitive leagues, so if you want to aspire to being very good at games, you can't rely on macros. Also, the lack of software should make it compatible with way more computers. Like i don't think any mouse maker that has their own software has it compatible with linux. So want to try a steam machine or steam os? With most mice, you would be out of luck, but not with zowie mice.

Depends actually it's not the one and only pro of the 3310.

It also maintains a rather low lift up distance without software usage.
With software usage you can adjust LOD as seen on the Avoir to a really low amount & keep the good performance up.

Has native DPI steps up to 5000 DPI by 50. You prolly don't need that much but it makes it versatile.
Now if you mention input lag you can also throw you Zowie mice inthere aswell. There's input lag in Zowies mice.

There are so many flaws around like lift off distance, smoothing, input lag and what not. The 3310 shows the best package in performance out of every sensor we have now.
post #2038 of 6214
I'm trialing the Mico and I cannot notice any input lag. That being said, sometimes what you read in subject reports does not translate into practice. Input lag of 10ms omgomg - seriously, you are not going to notice this AT ALL.

Mico lift off distance is quite high (objectively speaking) and would be a bit of a pain for lower DPI playstyles where you are lifting and repositioning a lot. I haven't noticed the sensor bug in practice yet, so I'm pretty happy so far.

Zowie customer service ... what can I say: unless they have a legal requirement to assist you (ie warranty issue), you are unlikely to receive any response/acknowledgement. It's pretty bad.

Steelseries resolved the sensor bug so long ago, but Zowie have no interest in doing so or even discussing the matter. Fortunately the bug is not as dramatic in practice as it is hyped up to be by die hard reviewers.
post #2039 of 6214
Hey guys,

Due to the massive amount of help this thread provides, I'm making it [Official].

Keep up the great work. smile.gif
post #2040 of 6214
  1. What's your grip style?
    Palm/Claw hybrid
  2. What's your sensitivity?
    6/11, 1600 DPI
  3. What's your maximum budget?
    "Sky's the limit"
  4. Do you want additional buttons?
    At least 2
  5. What games do you play?
    Dota 2
  6. Do you mind about prediction?
    I can say that I liked more my Tesoro Shrike sensor (A9500) than G400.
  7. Other relevant information:
    Onboard memory would be cool (or really light software)

I was thinking about DeathAdder 2013, I had deathadder 3G and I loved it's shape, however it has only two extra keys and no onboard memory?
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