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Originally Posted by Conspiracy View Post

so because i dont seem to fully understand from the guide explaining the different sensors. what is the major difference between laser/optical, opinions on which are better is not needed as that is probably subjective.
i care more about when i move my mouse that i feel like it is doing exactly what im telling it to and that its accurate and feels accurate moving the mouse around. im not a hardcore gamer or anything but i use my mouse A LOT while editing video and photos.
im currently trying to decide between the G400 and G500 with the biggest difference being laser/optical sensor.
which one is going to have that really nice accurate feel to it? all other bs aside unless it has prediction and acceleration that makes it hard to use the mouse and cant be turned off
Neither have prediction. The G500 has acceleration, which may be annoying to you; acceleration doesn't really matter if you aren't gaming, though. The LASER sensor can track at a higher DPI, but it doesn't really matter; you probably will never need over 800, if you like low sensitivity, and 1600 if you like high sensitivity. The LASER sensor probably has a higher tracking speed, but I doubt anyone actually needs more than 60 IPS.
I'm told that the G500 has better build quality. It definitely has a better scroll wheel.
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Originally Posted by AquaSurfer View Post

Form my perspective, with the knowledge i have now I have to say that mouse doesn't matter as long as it is predictable and you are willing to adapt.

Mouse only matters as long as it fits the way the gamer plays, or the gamer adapts to the mouse. Since no one is equal, some people will be better with certain settings than with a completely different configuration, so you might want to get the right mouse for the gamestyle that you get the best results on. In this scenario, mouse does matter.
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Originally Posted by AquaSurfer View Post

Muscle memory works even with mouse acceleration so it is not only storing distance but probably anything that is needed speed, time, distance etc.

Distance and speed is doable with linear accel.

You can't do it without linear accel, though, so aiming without linear accel means aiming on the general area and then aiming to the specific area you want to hit. I can see that as a bit worse than flick-shots, but not by much on current hardware (5% random accel? Not a huge deal as we usually make it out to be on those forums, for like 90% of the games, which are slow enough).
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OK Here is controversial part tongue.gif
You probably can play with x360 pad as good as a player with mouse and keyboard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zffq-1G_x_E
p.s. I'm still going to buy Aurora tongue.gifsmile.gif this obsession is still in my head redface.gif

This guy is not using a gamepad at all from 1:00 on, or if he is, he's got a low-fov bot to compensate for small movements and a bind to autoaim at some points, that's if it's even him (too many changes on the gfx config to be him all the time, no? tongue.gif). It's physically impossible to make flick shots at high speeds with a controller on his settings, and he's doing them. The deadzone of the stick doesn't seem to work, which is a hardware limitation, and still he tracks with LG flawlessly on the stick's deadzone. He could still be using weird accel settings, but seeing the granularity of the inputs (cursor jumping wildly), I remain skeptical.

From 0:00 to 1:00 he might be using a gamepad, playing against lvl 1 bots and only posting the most impressive shots (hey that's what videos on youtube are for, aren't they?), which are still a far cry from what any mid skill level can do with a mouse and keyboard.

There's another video where he shows how he's playing with the gamepad and he's not even a shadow of himself there :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwcOP8CVR5I&feature=plcp

So yes, you can play with an XBOX360 controller as good as low level player with mouse and keyboard.

I remember watching some vids of a famous CoD player in spain with my teammates on TS3, and we were laughing at how bad he was. Later on we found out he was playing big international tourneys on XBOX360. We thought they were trolling us, when we got told xD
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im not 100% sure what tracking speed actually means. but when im editing movies/photos i would probably be switching between dpi settings with the up/down rocker on the mouse. but when just surfing online and general computer use i have my mx518 has high as it goes. when i do play video games im in the middle sensitivity on my mouse and low middle sensitivity on the slider in the in-game menu.

if its possible to turn off mouse accelleration then the G500 might be a winner if its overall better build quality and scroll wheel. i use scroll wheel a lot tongue.gif
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Some mice stop tracking if you move the mouse too fast. Most people will not experience this issue. People that experience this issue play at very low sensitivities (like 30 inches to makes a 360 degree turn in first person shooter games).
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The acceleration is a minor 5% -/+ curve. It's "random" within 5% of linear tracking. I doubt you would have even noticed if you just went out and bought the mouse, but now it's in your head.

Since you're going to be swapping DPI regardless, Just go out and buy the G500. It's a more consistent (cursor wise) throughout the lower and higher CPI range. Also easier to change DPI +/-. G400's +/- buttons aren't as responsive and a majority of the DPI customization is done by controller recalculation of the two native values (800/3600).
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Originally Posted by AquaSurfer View Post

OK Here is controversial part tongue.gif
You probably can play with x360 pad as good as a player with mouse and keyboard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zffq-1G_x_E
p.s. I'm still going to buy Aurora tongue.gifsmile.gif this obsession is still in my head redface.gif
I have been a console player longer than I've been a PC player, and I can tell you that those joysticks are terrible. That guy may be able to control it fairly well, but you need to have the sensitivity at an insane level to be able to turn around that quickly in games, which makes it really hard to be accurate.
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im not 100% sure what tracking speed actually means. but when im editing movies/photos i would probably be switching between dpi settings with the up/down rocker on the mouse. but when just surfing online and general computer use i have my mx518 has high as it goes. when i do play video games im in the middle sensitivity on my mouse and low middle sensitivity on the slider in the in-game menu.

if its possible to turn off mouse accelleration then the G500 might be a winner if its overall better build quality and scroll wheel. i use scroll wheel a lot
You just can't turn off mouse acceleration on the A9500 sensor. When you aren't in game, you won't notice it, and especially on the higher sensitivites.
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Some mice stop tracking if you move the mouse too fast. Most people will not experience this issue. People that experience this issue play at very low sensitivities (like 30 inches to makes a 360 degree turn in first person shooter games).
I've experienced that on my decade old intellimouse; it stops tracking when you exceed a certain speed, which is laughably low.
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I also forgot to mention that I don't really see the point in recommending a perfect mouse if input methods aren't explained properly. You can hit inconsistent acceleration with the most accurate mouse in the world if a game engine isn't set up properly on client side. I suppose you can also blame the developer if a certain feature like raw input isn't supported in this time and day, though It's quite iffy with lcds and input latency to determine whats "better"
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G500 it is then

ill pick it up this weekend once i deposit my recent check
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1. What's your grip style?
If I tend to rest my wrist on the pad/table, lift the mouse by my thumb and ring finger, and click by pressing the tip of my fingers, not using my nails, that makes me a fingertip grip, right?

2. What's your sensitivity?
High, I guess. High DPI is preferrred over lower one. Cmiiw.

3. What's your maximum budget?
~$50.

4. Do you want additional buttons?
Yes, 2 thumb buttons will be enough.

5. What games do you play?
I rarely game. Last game I played was D3 before it got repetitive, which was quickly.

6. Do you mind about prediction?
Yes. No prediction if possible.

7. Other relevant information:
Want a right-hand shape, light weight, non-wireless, durable switches, driverless, no need for onboard memory.


Well, I'm not looking for a new mouse. I just need some input in case I have to get one soon. I've been through the usual threads but am still not clear on what I'm looking for so I thought I might as well ask here.

I currently use a Diamondback 3G (still working well after 4+ years of use; I guess I don't rage-click my mouses) and a Powerlogic Alien G9 on another desktop. I like the DB3G because it's light; what a fingertip gripper wants, right? But DB3G is discontinued. The Alien G9 is a bit heavier but has that curved sides that help for when handling the mouse. I'm not a big fan of the lights on both mouses.
I also own a Deathadder but it causes my ring/pinky finger such fatigue in short usage (around half-hour) that I relegated it as a backup. I believe it's a combination of its shape and weight. To me, DA is not for fingertip, more like for claw/palm grip. I bought it based on the reviews. Teaches me to look for comfort first, spec second.
I recently sold an Abyssus that I also like if not for its lack of thumb buttons. My brothers are using my old reliable MX510 and MX518 but while I like their shapes, they're a bit too heavy for me. I'm that weak. biggrin.gif

Now, is there a perfect mouse for me? A lightweight, ergonomic fingertip-specific mouse with good sensor/microswitches? I was looking at the CM Spawn but it's out of stock. Logi G400 is available, but not sure if its much lighter than the MX500s.
Any input is appreciated.
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1. What's your grip style?
If I tend to rest my wrist on the pad/table, lift the mouse by my thumb and ring finger, and click by pressing the tip of my fingers, not using my nails, that makes me a fingertip grip, right?
2. What's your sensitivity?
High, I guess. High DPI is preferrred over lower one. Cmiiw.
3. What's your maximum budget?
~$50.
4. Do you want additional buttons?
Yes, 2 thumb buttons will be enough.
5. What games do you play?
I rarely game. Last game I played was D3 before it got repetitive, which was quickly.
6. Do you mind about prediction?
Yes. No prediction if possible.
7. Other relevant information:
Want a right-hand shape, light weight, non-wireless, durable switches, driverless, no need for onboard memory.
Well, I'm not looking for a new mouse. I just need some input in case I have to get one soon. I've been through the usual threads but am still not clear on what I'm looking for so I thought I might as well ask here.
I currently use a Diamondback 3G (still working well after 4+ years of use; I guess I don't rage-click my mouses) and a Powerlogic Alien G9 on another desktop. I like the DB3G because it's light; what a fingertip gripper wants, right? But DB3G is discontinued. The Alien G9 is a bit heavier but has that curved sides that help for when handling the mouse. I'm not a big fan of the lights on both mouses.
I also own a Deathadder but it causes my ring/pinky finger such fatigue in short usage (around half-hour) that I relegated it as a backup. I believe it's a combination of its shape and weight. To me, DA is not for fingertip, more like for claw/palm grip. I bought it based on the reviews. Teaches me to look for comfort first, spec second.
I recently sold an Abyssus that I also like if not for its lack of thumb buttons. My brothers are using my old reliable MX510 and MX518 but while I like their shapes, they're a bit too heavy for me. I'm that weak. biggrin.gif
Now, is there a perfect mouse for me? A lightweight, ergonomic fingertip-specific mouse with good sensor/microswitches? I was looking at the CM Spawn but it's out of stock. Logi G400 is available, but not sure if its much lighter than the MX500s.
Any input is appreciated.
the Roccat Savu is lighter than the G400 by 15 grams.
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