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You forgot the F355...
I stand corrected. But my point is, the NSX was at least competitive when it came out, BD is already outperformed now.
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I suppose you guys all think that all these Reviewers bought their FX Chips last night, bought all their testing hardware, last night... set it all up, last night...

And did all their testing, and wrote their Reviews last night.. all in time to have it all ready for you all to read it all, this morning?


Seriously?

AMD sent out their sample chips over a month ago!

Do you all really think that all these Reviews were just suddenly generated overnight on the very moment the chip goes Retail?

It was published right here on OCN, though I don't recall where it was or what thread exactly, but the article was published here stating that AMD had sent out some 1200 sample chips for reviewers and manufacturers to test...

Therefore, most of these Reviews were done, a month ago; using those sampled chips... they just weren't allowed to publish their results until now, likely due to signing some NDA with AMD.... and its very likely that the FX Chips on Retail now, have had some performance improvements added to them.

I would think it might be a bit more important to wait a little longer for all this "review dust" to settle; and wait until more people have these chips and start putting them through more every day use... and maybe some more updated Reviews show up from more every day users.

..and no, I'm not trying to defend AMD here, just trying to look at this logically.
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I suppose you guys all think that all these Reviewers bought their FX Chips last night, bought all their testing hardware, last night... set it all up, last night...

And did all their testing, and wrote their Reviews last night.. all in time to have it all ready for you all to read this morning?


Seriously?

AMD sent out their sample chips over a month ago!

Do you all really think that all these Reviews were just suddenly generated overnight on the very moment the chip goes Retail?

It was published right here on OCN, though I don't recall where it was or what thread exactly, but the article was published here stating that AMD had sent out some 1200 sample chips for reviewers and manufacturers to test...

Therefore, most of these Reviews were done, a month ago; using those sampled chips... they just weren't allowed to publish their results until now.... and its very likely that the FX Chips on Retail now, have had some performance improvements added to them.

I would think it might be a bit more important to wait a little longer for all this "review dust" to settle; and wait until more people have these chips and start putting them through more every day use... and maybe some more updated Reviews show up from more every day users.

..and no, I'm not trying to defend AMD here, just trying to look at this logically.
This is not a graphics card, dude. Drivers/BIOS updates aren't going to fix its performance by much, if at all.
    
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I suppose you guys all think that all these Reviewers bought their FX Chips last night, bought all their testing hardware, last night... set it all up, last night...

And did all their testing, and wrote their Reviews last night.. all in time to have it all ready for you all to read this morning?


Seriously?

AMD sent out their sample chips over a month ago!

Do you all really think that all these Reviews were just suddenly generated overnight on the very moment the chip goes Retail?

It was published right here on OCN, though I don't recall where it was or what thread exactly, but the article was published here stating that AMD had sent out some 1200 sample chips for reviewers and manufacturers to test...

Therefore, most of these Reviews were done, a month ago; using those sampled chips... they just weren't allowed to publish their results until now.... and its very likely that the FX Chips on Retail now, have had some performance improvements added to them.

I would think it might be a bit more important to wait a little longer for all this "review dust" to settle; and wait until more people have these chips and start putting them through more every day use... and maybe some more updated Reviews show up from more every day users.

..and no, I'm not trying to defend AMD here, just trying to look at this logically.
Bull. There are no performance enhancements for the retail chips.

AMD failed this one. Looks like my next rig is going to be Intel powered seeing as the i5-2500k is on the same performance level as this piece of crap.
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Like many people here on OC, I was highly anticipating the release of Bulldozer. Sadly, the results are a little underwhelming. I guess my next rig is going to be an Intel machine although I'm still hoping Trinity will have something to offer.
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Bull. There are no performance enhancements for the retail chips.

AMD failed this one. Looks like my next rig is going to be Intel powered seeing as the i5-2500k is on the same performance level as this piece of crap.
Lol, it's a piece of crap but has the same performance as the 2500k....U do realize how ignorant that sounded right?

Edit:we have seen hundreds of bios updates and windows updates that have improved performance of cpus before.
Edited by Papas - 10/12/11 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by cjc75 View Post
I suppose you guys all think that all these Reviewers bought their FX Chips last night, bought all their testing hardware, last night... set it all up, last night...

And did all their testing, and wrote their Reviews last night.. all in time to have it all ready for you all to read it all, this morning?


Seriously?

AMD sent out their sample chips over a month ago!

Do you all really think that all these Reviews were just suddenly generated overnight on the very moment the chip goes Retail?

It was published right here on OCN, though I don't recall where it was or what thread exactly, but the article was published here stating that AMD had sent out some 1200 sample chips for reviewers and manufacturers to test...

Therefore, most of these Reviews were done, a month ago; using those sampled chips... they just weren't allowed to publish their results until now, likely due to signing some NDA with AMD.... and its very likely that the FX Chips on Retail now, have had some performance improvements added to them.

I would think it might be a bit more important to wait a little longer for all this "review dust" to settle; and wait until more people have these chips and start putting them through more every day use... and maybe some more updated Reviews show up from more every day users.

..and no, I'm not trying to defend AMD here, just trying to look at this logically.
The chips that were sent to the reviewers are retail chips. They are the exact same chip stepping / design that they are sending to the distributors.

Unless this OS cache issue is really causing a huge performance drop or there is a major BIOS bug then this is how BD will perform.

It sounds like Windows 8 will handle thread scheduling better then Windows 7 with this CPU, but at that point in time both Ivy Bridge and Pile Driver will be ready. Unless you can get a BD set up pretty cheap I recommend going for SB now, or wait for SB-E (LGA2011) that is coming out later this year.
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I suppose you guys all think that all these Reviewers bought their FX Chips last night, bought all their testing hardware, last night... set it all up, last night...

And did all their testing, and wrote their Reviews last night.. all in time to have it all ready for you all to read this morning?


Seriously?

AMD sent out their sample chips over a month ago!

Do you all really think that all these Reviews were just suddenly generated overnight on the very moment the chip goes Retail?

It was published right here on OCN, though I don't recall where it was or what thread exactly, but the article was published here stating that AMD had sent out some 1200 sample chips for reviewers and manufacturers to test...

Therefore, most of these Reviews were done, a month ago; using those sampled chips... they just weren't allowed to publish their results until now.... and its very likely that the FX Chips on Retail now, have had some performance improvements added to them.

I would think it might be a bit more important to wait a little longer for all this "review dust" to settle; and wait until more people have these chips and start putting them through more every day use... and maybe some more updated Reviews show up from more every day users.

..and no, I'm not trying to defend AMD here, just trying to look at this logically.
I guess its possible that within the last month they found out a huge bug that was hitting their performance and fixed it, but I would imagine that AMD would send out the new chips to reviewers and make damn sure that the old ones did not get out. The NDA was lifted a few hours before the chips went on sale, meaning that stores already had them. If that were the case, I can assure you they would not lift the NDA without at least contacting reviewers first so that reviews of the bad chips did not get out.

That said, I really do hope there is something wrong and they find and correct it soon. Either that or roll out BDs "Phenom II" ASAP.


Edit: oh yea, and heres another thought to add to the "disabling half a module" discussion earlier:
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Originally Posted by Anandtech
There's only a single Bulldozer die. The 6 and 4 core versions simply feature cores disabled on the die. AMD insists this time around, core unlocking won't be possible on these harvested parts.
If they found a way to disable a single integer core, which I believe was said to not be possible but I could be wrong, then maybe theres hope for a ~$120 octacore.
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Lol, it's a piece of crap but has the same performance as the 2500k....U do realize how ignorant that sounded right?
The 2500k beats it in video encoding benchmarks; I need to encode videos, therefore, it's crap for me. You can also bet that Intel will lower the price following the release of Ivy Bridge.

Despite that point, the 2500K tramples Bulldozer in MOST benchmarks listed here.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/t...x8150-tested/7
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Bull. There are no performance enhancements for the retail chips.

AMD failed this one. Looks like my next rig is going to be Intel powered seeing as the i5-2500k is on the same performance level as this piece of crap.
If the chip's skipped enough generations to be on par with an i5, yet is cheaper than an i5, how is that failure?

Genuinely curious here, I just came into this Bulldozer bonanza. Someone send me a PM and explain the situation to me.
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