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Originally Posted by dodger.blue View Post
It costs about $35 less. In an intelligent society, you usually need to provide evidence or else your claims tend to be dismissed.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103960

vs.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...Tpk=i7%202600k
not to mention the 8150 is "out of stock" so it's not like you can get it anyway
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hmm i think some people keep having really bad hallucinations, more performance? ok

Bfbc2 is known as cpu intensive game:


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Why is it that other sites are able to show better results? Perhaps there are some setup/driver/moneymotivation issues that some sites are running into.

The OverClockersClub team managed competely different test results for BF2


So, what you are thinking is that nobody else is going to be able to tune these things properly, and I happen to know that is not the case. If these guys can get these results then so can others, probably even better than this. We are on OCN are we not?
    
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Originally Posted by amstech View Post
Wow this thread is nasty!

I think the expectations for Bulldozer were too high.
It performs quite well IMO...atleast a company is challenging Intel.

to be honest my expectations were never to high,
but I really didn't expected it to be 7% slower than a Phenom II (IPC), and to be released at only 3.6GHz (if it really needs a high clock to perform), and to use so much power when overclocked, and to look generations apart from Intel in terms of IPC (40-50% in many cases),

so yes, when you have a something like rendering, encoding, file compression, it does a good job, because 8 less capable "cores" can still be competitive against 4, but many softwares, including gaming can't use as many "integer cores" as 8, and BD have other bottlenecks
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OMG, guys were you not following the conversation and how it began? If you had followed my comment to what it was originally posted to you would see I was not arguing performance / watt.
So your calculation was pointless then.

Who cares what an individual core consumes if you jam a bunch of them together and make them consume more? It would be forgivable if the cores themselves were efficient, but they aren't.

Face it, Intel's 8-thread solution is better and more efficient than AMD's.
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Originally Posted by Jagged_Steel View Post
FX is pretty even or slightly better than the 2600 in DX-11 gaming, and costs $100 less. It outperforms the 2500, and costs a little more. Seems about right to me. Why is this confusing to you?
I'm not the one confused. The 2500k is clearly the better price/performance CPU available at the moment. It does better in nearly every gaming scenario, and costs less, uses less power.

Not to mention it scales well with multiple GPU's. Something I don't have much faith in the FX series at the moment given its lower IPC.

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Edited by anubis1127 - 10/12/11 at 5:27pm
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Originally Posted by Jagged_Steel View Post
Why is it that other sites are able to show better results? Perhaps there are some setup/driver/moneymotivation issues that some sites are running into.

The OverClockersClub team managed competely different test results for BF2


So, what you are thinking is that nobody else is going to be able to tune these things properly, and I happen to know that is not the case. If these guys can get these results then so can others, probably even better than this. We are on OCN are we not?
Lmao... keep showing more GPU bottlenecked benchmarks as a CPU argument.
    
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i think that bulldoser has a great amount of proformanse - considering no games can fully use all the cores. if we ran to copys of the game at once. too much power at one time.
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I don't see how anyone can argue in favor of Bulldozer's price/performance. It barely beats the 2500K in heavily threaded tasks, loses immensely in less threaded tasks, costs the same ($220 for FX-8120), and uses much, much more power.

I think Bulldozer would be "ok" if it was priced $50 cheaper.
Edited by aznofazns - 10/12/11 at 5:29pm
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Lol...

The BD archetecture will enherently get faster as software developers move into 64bit space. A BD chip now, doesn't hurt anything... just that single benchmarks only test derivitives of singles aspects. Granted, AMD didn't add enough decoders to their uarch & PD will fix this. But, the BD chip doesn't slow down the computing experience, it just doesn't meet the threshold of being a dominant chip.


Also, I can garuantee that this BD (4 years from now), will handle future software better than the current SB. It is inevitable, and spending $245 now doesn't mean ur rig is slow! And.. since, "Joe Public" does't buy a computer every 3 years, I see no loss for AMD. It just isn't a big win for current software.
I bought my CPU about 4 years ago. I'm now behind quite a few releases. As already mentioned, 4 years is forever in computer tech. "Joe Public" doesn't by a computer every 3 years, but this CPU isn't really marketed towards them. Joe Public doesn't need 8 cores. People who would want 8 cores are looking for performance, and this chip lacks that. Maybe in 4 years it wont, but some companies will buy hardware and then not upgrade it for years.
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Geez some people need to grow up, on both sides. Sure FX may be a let down for gamers and such, but for some people, its a great CPU.
Check Xbit review pages here and here.

I mean, it keeps up with and sometimes beats both the 2500K and 2600K. But overall, I'd still say a letdown just because of its backwards progress for stuff like gaming and what most people would use a consumer CPU for... This chip was obviously designed for server and workstation workloads and that just rubs a lot of people the wrong way it seems... But when its in an environment that can take advantage to the architecture of the CPU, BD just shines.

So overall not that great and its overpriced, but it does have some kick in it... I just wanted it to be in a different way Oh well... here's hoping AMD works out the kinks of a totally new arch on a new node and wish them the best of luck, we all need them to pull a rabbit out of a hat for the next showing, or performance will stall a little...
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