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Why do you keep bringing up this single benchmark to justify bulldozer's lackluster performance? This benchmark clearly shows that the game is gpu limited. Anyways, the mere 3 fps is probably within the margin of error.
they are using a 6950, pretty weak gpu to test the cpu out.
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meh... gaming is one of the more important things for me and that's not really BDs strong point. I really have no need to upgrade my i5 760.
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Can someone please explain why when the game is gpu limited and frame rates go up for the bd over the i7/i5 that means??? The way you are explaining it, if gpu is limited and its relying heavily on the cpu than bd should have lower frame rates, not higher. That is unless I'm missing the point.

if the game is GPU limited, the performance should be the same on any CPU (given that is fast enough), the difference you see on that "Shogun 2" graphic is almost nothing, is withing a margin of error or irrelevance, like in any test limited by the GPU... if you add another (SLI, CF) or a faster VGA (or maybe lower the details) probably it can change things, because then the VGA is fast enough to not be the main limiting factor of the framerate,

keep in mind, that on the same game you can go from GPU limited to CPU limited quite easily, depending on the scene, the action, what's is happening, and how fast your CPU/GPU are.

here they tried to isolate a CPU limited scenario on the same game:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpu...-8150-review/9

but unfortunately the FX crashed (as it did in this game in other 3 reviews or more)
but you can clearly see a difference, CPUs scaling with OC and so on, when in a GPU limited part of the game/settings you are not going to see this.
also you can see that the 2600 performance here is much lower, because they used a much more demanding (for the CPU) demo, and that's how you normally want to compare CPUs, not when they are irrelevant, or can't make any difference, because is more about how fast the VGA can run the thing.


if you test Crysis with a Radeon HD5450 performance will be around let's say 10fps, no matter what CPU you use (a Celeron or a i7 2700k), but now use a GTX 590, and the Celeron will run much slower than the i7
obviously on a much smaller scale, that's whats happening on that Shogun 2 graphic, the difference is irrelevant, the result is the same, and that's what the VGA is capable of on that case.
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if the game is GPU limited, the performance should be the same on any CPU (given that is fast enough), the difference you see on that "Shogun 2" graphic is almost nothing, is withing a margin of error or irrelevance, like in any test limited by the GPU... if you add another (SLI, CF) or a faster VGA (or maybe lower the details) probably it can change things, because then the VGA is fast enough to not be the main limiting factor of the framerate,

keep in mind, that on the same game you can go from GPU limited to CPU limited quite easily, depending on the scene, the action, what's is happening, and how fast your CPU/GPU are.

here they tried to isolate a CPU limited scenario on the same game:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpu...-8150-review/9

but unfortunately the FX crashed (as it did in this game in other 3 reviews or more)
but you can clearly see a difference, CPUs scaling with OC and so on, when in a GPU limited part of the game/settings you are not going to see this.
also you can see that the 2600 performance here is much lower, because they used a much more demanding (for the CPU) demo, and that's how you normally want to compare CPUs, not when they are irrelevant, or can't make any difference, because is more about how fast the VGA can run the thing.


if you test Crysis with a Radeon HD5450 performance will be around let's say 10fps, no matter what CPU you use (a Celeron or a i7 2700k), but now use a GTX 590, and the Celeron will run much slower than the i7
obviously on a much smaller scale, that's whats happening on that Shogun 2 graphic, the difference is irrelevant, the result is the same, and that's what the VGA is capable of on that case.
OK, so that makes sense. Ty
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Originally Posted by Papas View Post
Can someone please explain why when the game is gpu limited and frame rates go up for the bd over the i7/i5 that means??? The way you are explaining it, if gpu is limited and its relying heavily on the cpu than bd should have lower frame rates, not higher. That is unless I'm missing the point.
The point is a couple fps up or down is really insignificant in a gpu-limited benchmark. In cpu-specific tests there is simply no parity between these processors at all. The 2600k/2500k run away from the 8150 with ease....
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how's the crow tasting jagged_steel? accept it dude. defending the bulldozer is a lost cause


So having top scores in the latest games now constitutes "eating crow"? Piling on the Intel bandwagon is easy, sticking up for AMD is hard. It is a phenomenom called "rooting for the underdog".
    
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whoa, this thread is HUGE, no idea if this has been posted.

AMD has posted a Press Release:
http://www.amd.com/us/aboutamd/newsr.../newsroom.aspx

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Unlock Your Record Setting AMD FX Series Processor Today

October 12, 2011 -- With the first eight-core desktop processor, enthusiasts and overclockers get an amazing PC experience at unheard of prices

AMD (NYSE: AMD) today unleashed the AMD FX family of CPUs, delivering a fully unlocked and customizable experience for desktop PC users. The AMD FX series of desktop CPUs includes the first-ever eight-core desktop processor, enabling extreme multi-display gaming, mega-tasking and HD content creation for PC and digital enthusiasts – all for less than $245 (suggested U.S. retail price). This marks the first retail availability of processors that use AMD’s new multi-core architecture (codenamed “Bulldozer”), which is included in AMD’s upcoming server CPU (codenamed “Interlagos”) and the next-generation of AMD Accelerated Processing Units.

“AMD FX CPUs are back with a vengeance, as validated by the recent feat of setting a Guinness World Records® title for ‘Highest Frequency of a Computer Processor,’” said Chris Cloran, corporate vice president and general manager, Client Group at AMD. “While overclockers will certainly enjoy the frequencies the AMD FX processors can achieve, PC enthusiasts and HD media aficionados will appreciate the remarkable experience that AMD FX processors can provide as part of a balanced, affordable desktop system.”

All AMD FX CPUs offer completely unlocked processor clock multipliers for easier overclocking, paving the way for PC enthusiasts to enjoy higher CPU speeds and related performance gains. Additionally, these processors use AMD Turbo Core Technology to dynamically optimize performance across CPU cores enabling maximum performance for intense workloads.

Without spending a small fortune, users can combine an AMD FX CPU with an AMD 9-series chipset motherboard and AMD Radeon™ HD 6000 series graphics cards to create the AMD “Scorpius” platform for an astounding gaming and HD entertainment experience. As part of the “Scorpius” platform, AMD FX CPUs also support AMD CrossFireX™ technology, which allows the combination of multiple graphics cards in a PC for stunning visual experiences, and AMD Eyefinity technology support for super resolution on up to six monitors.1 With AMD CatalystControl Center™ / AMD VISION Engine Control Center, users can get regular updates to help improve system performance and stability, and to add new software enhancements.
My opinion, fire your copywriters, hire more engineers.
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Problem is that Bulldozer is consider same level as Phenom II. There isn't really any improvement but at that price $260... you got to be kidding me.

If it wasn't the price, I would still grab it like for $170 because it is under performance than X6 1100T.
 
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After reading some review, and seeing as how the FX-8120/50 are priced around the 2500k, exactly what audience is Bulldozer marketed to? Gamers? Average users? Enthusiasts? Business? The only audience I see actually utilizing this is the video/photo editing crowd. If so, this is hardly a competitive product at this price point.

Am I right? Please correct me if I am wrong...
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whoa, this thread is HUGE, no idea if this has been posted.

AMD has posted a Press Release:
http://www.amd.com/us/aboutamd/newsr.../newsroom.aspx



My opinion, fire your copywriters, hire more engineers.
Having bigger Ghz numbers doesn't mean anything if the real time usage under perform compare to today decent CPUs...

They said these series aim for enthusiast but enthusiast users aren't that dumb by being fooled with 8Ghz number. You can fool computer literary but that's just plain rip off and gouging the market.
 
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