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The FX kicks butt at games and has been shown to do so in some reviews , some bad reviews showing the exact opposite will not make the good performance reviews disappear.
Wouldn't the reverse be true as well?
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Wouldn't the reverse be true as well?
Use some logic: In order for the good reviews to be "false positives" would require either these review sites got some magical cpus to get these great performance readings, or it would mean that the reviewers were lying. You can't accidentally make a CPU perform beyond it's capabilities. You definitely CAN accidentally (or intentionally)make a CPU perform badly.
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This is basically the same position that I was in during the Phenom I launch. I had an Athlon X2 5000+ that wanted to retire but the absolutely horrid reviews led me to sticking with the dual core till the Phenom II's came out. Looks like I'll be waiting for Bulldozer II this time.
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Use some logic: In order for the good reviews to be "false positives" would require either these review sites got some magical cpus to get these great performance readings, or it would mean that the reviewers were lying. You can't accidentally make a CPU perform beyond it's capabilities. You definitely CAN make accidentally (or intentionally)make a CPU perform badly.
Nothing magical. You just don't know what a bottleneck is i guess. You still haven't acknowledged that. Enjoy your FX.
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All that matters is that a computer do what you want it to, period. I game on my computer. The FX kicks butt at games and has been shown to do so in some reviews , some bad reviews showing the exact opposite will not make the good performance reviews disappear. You are quite welcome to believe all of the bad reviews, but please, I will make my own decision, thank you for your concern.
Yes, I know, and I absolutely have no problem with that.

If you're happy with your computer, then that's all that matters at the end of the day. I think many people with AMD processors have perfectly fine rigs that do exactly what they want it to, and I think that's great since their purchase was well within a reasonable budget.

However, If someone asked me right now which processor I'd buy for gaming, a Phenom II x4 or an 8150 FX, I'd immediately tell them that I'd pick up the Phenom II x4.

It's performance is often superior in terms of gaming from what we've seen, and it's incredibly inexpensive for a fairly powerful budget oriented rig--an area that AMD has always excelled at. It's also significantly less expensive which leaves room to upgrade using a better AMD based GPU solution.

Interesting enough is that if someone asked me if I'd take an 8150 FX over a Phenom II x6 for video rendering and encoding, I'd still have to say no. The price of the Phenom II x6 is likely to drop significantly making it an incredible value while also performing similarly if not sometimes better than the 8150 in certain scenarios.

I think this is why a lot of people, AMD fans in particular, are perplexed about where this CPU belongs or what its intended purpose is directed at.
Edited by jivenjune - 10/12/11 at 7:39pm
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Yes, I know, and I absolutely have no problem with that.

If you're happy with your computer, then that's all that matters at the end of the day. I think many people with AMD processors have perfectly fine rigs that do exactly what they want it to, and I think that's great since their purchase was well within a reasonable budget.

However, If someone asked me right now which processor I'd buy for gaming, a Phenom II x4 or an 8150 FX, I'd immediately tell them that I'd pick up the Phenom II x4.

It's performance is often superior in terms of gaming from what we've seen, and it's incredibly inexpensive for a fairly powerful budget oriented rig--an area that AMD has always excelled at. It's also significantly less expensive which leaves room to upgrade using a better AMD based GPU solution.

Interesting enough is that if someone asked me if I'd take an 8150 FX over a Phenom II x6 for video rendering and encoding, I'd still have to say no. The price of the Phenom II x6 is likely to drop significantly making it an incredible value while also performing similarly if not sometimes better than the 8150.
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I think most of us understand that BD does NOT "kick butt" at gaming. It is basically no improvement over an 1100t....
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All that matters is that a computer do what you want it to, period. I game on my computer. The FX kicks butt at games and has been shown to do so in some reviews , some bad reviews showing the exact opposite will not make the good performance reviews disappear. You are quite welcome to believe all of the bad reviews, but please, I will make my own decision, thank you for your concern.
See that's the point; FX does NOT "kick butt at games."

If you have a single graphic card (midrange or so), and play at a high resolution; then in most cases the 8-core FX will deliver enough CPU power to let you play fine - read GPU bound application.

So in this case, the FX will tie an i7 2600k. But it would also tie a Phenom II X4 or an i3 2100, because these would have been just as good, since the task is GPU limited. The Phenom II quadcore and the i3 2100 would both provide enough performance and if you need a processor to run GPU-bound application, you'd be better off with these much cheaper options.

To see how well an architecture actually does in gaming based on the CPU, we try running at lower resolution, or use multiple graphic cards or resort to more CPU-bound games. And at all of those BD falls even behind Phenom II hexacores.

CPUs that excel in CPU-bound cases, are those truly good for gaming.
Just because a BD gets the same result as an i7 2600k; it doesn't mean that it's actually equal to it; it means that in both cases, the CPU power was enough to drive that single GPU at that resolution, but if one was to use more GPUs or change the resolution; the result would NOT be the same, and would favor the truly superior architecture.

Hence, GPU-bottlenecked benchmarks do not say anything about CPU architecture and how good or bad it is.
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Use some logic: In order for the good reviews to be "false positives" would require either these review sites got some magical cpus to get these great performance readings, or it would mean that the reviewers were lying. You can't accidentally make a CPU perform beyond it's capabilities. You definitely CAN make accidentally (or intentionally)make a CPU perform badly.
Every review that has favored Bulldozer has used either a 6850 or a 6950 thus making the overall setup have a bottleneck on the GPU side. Give it a few days and we will have a bunch of reviews come back whose test rigs use GTX590's and 6990's. You'll then see how poorly BD performs.

There is only a slight chance (like 5%) that there is some huge problem with drivers/bios which will get fixed and give us an additional 40% in performance. There is a better chance that newer revisions of the chip will perform better. However the best chance is that the next iteration of the architecture will perform as advertized.

I'm sure everyone remembers AMD's "50% more cores, 33% more performance" statement. Even THAT hasn't come true.
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I think most of us understand that BD does NOT "kick butt" at gaming. It is basically no improvement over an 1100t....
no improvement would've been acceptable(on same clock speeds with phenom II). but a step back at gaming? wth was amd thinking.
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