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What is your explanation of why some reviews show the FX doing great, and some do not? Did some reviewers get special "magic" FXs that perform great and some got regular ones ? Or is it more likely that some people managed to get theirs working correctly, and others did not?headscratch.gif

What they're trying to tell you is that you can go with an i3 processor, or a Thuban, or a Phenom II X4 and get the same results as you would with that video card. So if you want to play BF3 with a 6970 and be able to achieve the maximum FPS from that card, you can basically go with Core 2 Quad/Phenom II x4 processors and up. You don't have to buy a $270 processor to do something an $80 processor can do.
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Please refrain from using provocative words like fanboy.
I think if someone is offended by the term, then they are either one of the fanboy's, are much too sensitive, or both. No offense, but if a word is provocative it's probably because the other person is being defensive; they're doing so because they know what they are but won't admit it.

I came back to this thread today hoping I could say, "Sheesh! Twas a dream, y'all!"
I can't...
 
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Hence, GPU-bottlenecked benchmarks do not say anything about CPU architecture and how good or bad it is.
And this is how AMD has demonstrated Bulldozer, during GPU bottlenecked situations. They know in CPU bound scenarios Bulldozer doesn't stand a chance.

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Just tuning in. So at first glance all the chips seem to be a dud? Is there any of them that stand out? I can't get a real grip on all the info that's out there but the consensus seems to be pretty bad I guess.
Nothing good. Things that were claimed didn't happen. Things that we're expected really didn't happen.
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And this is how AMD has demonstrated Bulldozer, during GPU bottlenecked situations. They know in CPU bound scenarios Bulldozer doesn't stand a chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rDwXuAINJk
That video does have some discrepancy to it as stated by some other users.

Try to flag that video for misleading text.

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And the dream.

It may no longer be one, but it's become a delusion for some.
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What they're trying to tell you is that you can go with an i3 processor, or a Thuban, or a Phenom II X4 and get the same results as you would with that video card. So if you want to play BF3 with a 6970 and be able to achieve the maximum FPS from that card, you can basically go with Core 2 Quad/Phenom II x4 processors and up. You don't have to buy a $270 processor to do something an $80 processor can do.
^This. Unfortunately Jagged just isn't grasping that. Oh well, let him enjoy his "butt kicking" FX 8150 with his HD 6790. He clearly wouldn't be better off keeping his phenom II, and putting that $260 into a HD6950. That would not be logical, it is clearly a better option for him to buy a $260 CPU to go with his $120 GPU.
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Nothing good. Things that were claimed didn't happen. Things that we're expected really didn't happen.
What thing that was claimed did not happen? What was "expected" and did not happen? What I see is people dreaming up grand expectations for something and then poo poo ing it when it didn't meet their fantasy expectations. The reality is that the FX is doing everything that AMD promised.
    
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I wonder if AMD could have just skipped 32nm all together and released a 22nm Phenom III X8

-take out the DDR2 support
-add the AVX instruction set
-default support for DDR3-2400


that could have at least made a winner winner chicken dinner. If u can't beat Intel clock for clock, give the processor a ton of memory bandwidth.
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What thing that was claimed did not happen? What was "expected" and did not happen? What I see is people dreaming up grand expectations for something and then poo poo ing it when it didn't meet their fantasy expectations. The reality is that the FX is doing everything that AMD promised.
Did you even get to read the quote from born2bwild? I find it very detailed and informative enough. Here it is:

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See that's the point; FX does NOT "kick butt at games."

If you have a single graphic card (midrange or so), and play at a high resolution; then in most cases the 8-core FX will deliver enough CPU power to let you play fine - read GPU bound application.

So in this case, the FX will tie an i7 2600k. But it would also tie a Phenom II X4 or an i3 2100, because these would have been just as good, since the task is GPU limited. The Phenom II quadcore and the i3 2100 would both provide enough performance and if you need a processor to run GPU-bound application, you'd be better off with these much cheaper options.

To see how well an architecture actually does in gaming based on the CPU, we try running at lower resolution, or use multiple graphic cards or resort to more CPU-bound games. And at all of those BD falls even behind Phenom II hexacores.

CPUs that excel in CPU-bound cases, are those truly good for gaming.
Just because a BD gets the same result as an i7 2600k; it doesn't mean that it's actually equal to it; it means that in both cases, the CPU power was enough to drive that single GPU at that resolution, but if one was to use more GPUs or change the resolution; the result would NOT be the same, and would favor the truly superior architecture.

Hence, GPU-bottlenecked benchmarks do not say anything about CPU architecture and how good or bad it is.
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Need we show you slides of how AMD expected BD to perform?

50% faster than ..

Have a quote instead. Straight from the AMD Rep.



Higher. Right? Not at par or lower?
dont forget about power consumption
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