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OK FOLKS SOME GOOD NEWS (for some people!)

BTW: This is not my work, I just compiled info and ported it here from the thread posted on Xtremesys a couple pages back

Disabling one core per module to avoid resource sharing improves single-threaded IPC ALOT - ACROSS THE BOARD! And surely fixes some of the stranger results we've seen!
Credit to DGLee @ XS who tested this, and to chew who stepped in to confirm having similar results when he was playing around with the chip, so here go the benches improvement when comparing 2M/4C vs 4M/4C:

Fritz Chess: 39,1% improvement
wPrime 32M: 31% improvement
Winrar: 9,5% improvement
3DMark06 CPU: 5.8% improvement
3DMark Vantage CPU: 22.1% improvement
3DMark11 Physics: 14.1% improvement
Cinebench R10: 21.4% improvement
Cinebench R11.5: 19.1% improvement
Blender: 21.7% improvement
TechARP x264 enc: 20% improvement
Daum PotEncoding H264 transcoding: 11,7% improvement

EDIT TO ELLABORATE

Now there isn't a direct comparison benchmark but word going around is that these gains across the board seem to leave Bulldozer with a bit more IPC than phenom II!

This means, for people willing to turn off 4 of their threads, that bulldozer will NOT SUCK AS HARD as originally intended in gaming and lightly threaded apps (although we are still waiting on gaming benches to confirm!).. In particular, gains by this are particulary big in some of the weirder results we had seen in original reviews.

IMO this makes BD at least a bit more viable as with 4 cores disabled, you will likely be seeing close to or actual 5Ghz on air and more on water with slightly higher IPC than Phenom! And all the while lowering power draw and heat output!

Ergo, not a 2500k killer by any stretch BUT AT LEAST a viable upgrade for those who already have a 990FX board..

ATTENTION, Currently it is not known if all boards support disabling individual cores, testing was done on a CHV, can't comment on others!

SOURCE: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?275873-AMD-FX-quot-Bulldozer-quot-Review-%284%29-!exclusive!-Excuse-for-1-Threaded-Perf.
Edited by omninmo - 10/13/11 at 1:43am
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See Amd should of scraped there idea of Bulldozer an used mine. The FX81 aka 1100T +2cores chop up a 2600k an add its hyperthreading. An you get the monster FX81 8core 16thread cpu.

Well it looked good on paper anyway.
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According to this,
gaming performance improves a little when running in 4 Module/4 Core mode vs 4 Module/8 Core mode

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/842-9/efficacite-cmt.html
     
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AMD really messed this up.

Shoulda scrapped the module thingy, added the second FPU and do a TRUE 8 core.

That 20-25% IPC increase would've skyrocketed performance.


But what do we have? A bunch of under-performing useless silicon that runs WAY SLOWER than the last gen.

sigh ~
   
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Partol;15288859 
According to this,
gaming performance improves a little when running in 4 Module/4 Core mode vs 4 Module/8 Core mode

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/842-9/efficacite-cmt.html

that falls a bit in line with DGLee's findings i posted above, see more results at post:

http://www.overclock.net/hardware-news/1139571-official-amd-bulldozer-reviews-thread-161.html#post15288816
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Originally Posted by Artikbot;15288890 
AMD really messed this up.

Shoulda scrapped the module thingy, added the second FPU and do a TRUE 8 core.

That 20-25% IPC increase would've skyrocketed performance.


But what do we have? A bunch of under-performing useless silicon that runs WAY SLOWER than the last gen.

sigh ~

You can't have everything. There's tradeoffs involved, mainly die size. It would make it larger and they would need a new socket, but they want to use the same socket... this is the price for trying to stay on the same socket forever. At some point it was bound to be a limit.
    
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Partol;15288859 
According to this,
gaming performance improves a little when running in 4 Module/4 Core mode vs 4 Module/8 Core mode

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/842-9/efficacite-cmt.html

IMG0033832.gif

Sadly, the performance gains in gaming when going from 4M/8C to 4M/4C are minimal. See the bottom six results.

Although I think those tests were run at 1080p, which would likely result in a GPU bottleneck. Not sure.
Edited by aznofazns - 10/13/11 at 1:43am
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Quote:
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You can't have everything. There's tradeoffs involved, mainly die size. It would make it larger and they would need a new socket, but they want to use the same socket... this is the price for trying to stay on the same socket forever. At some point it was bound to be a limit.

Well they need to stop designing cpus around sockets and compatibility and focus on architecture and performance gains.

I have a feeling as long as they keep the AM3/3+ around nothing is going to change much.
 
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if we could build a profile on AMD Overdrive or something that could automatically disable 4 threads everytime you ran a game or some other specified task and OC to 5Ghz+ or whatever

and then

reverting back to say, 8 cores @ 4.5ghz for general purpose and other highly threaded apps where BD shines naturally (like video encoding or compression or productivity etc..) then BD wouldn't be such a disappointment, i think...

IF you cuold do it automatically without needing to go to the BIOS to do it properly... And after a price drop or something...

Not that I intend to upgrade anyway for the moment
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if we could build a profile on AMD Overdrive or something that could automatically disable 4 threads everytime you ran a game or some other specified task and OC to 5Ghz+ or whatever

and then

reverting back to say, 8 cores @ 4.5ghz for general purpose and other highly threaded apps where BD shines naturally (like video encoding or compression or productivity etc..) then BD wouldn't be such a disappointment, i think...

IF you cuold do it automatically without needing to go to the BIOS to do it properly... And after a price drop or something...

Not that I intend to upgrade anyway for the moment

Or if they just fixed the way it works... the ideas are good, the results are not. They have a lot of new ideas in this chip but sadly the rest of the system, mainly OS and software, is not set up to take avdantage of it and it just ends up being a disadvantage instead of advantage.
    
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