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Yes it is THAT Bad.. have you not been reading reviews?
you have to read the last line i wrote.. People are getting into the habit of taking the worst written reviews like anandtech and quoting them extensively and convieniently ignoring guru3d, techspot and similar sites who have shown BD in a better light.
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I disagree. What exactly did AMD promise you that you feel that they did not deliver on?
What about "the highest single- and multithreaded CPU performance"? Or even just IPC increase over Phenom II? Its per-core performance is slower than Phenom II in CB 11.5. And it's just barely faster in the multi-CPU test despite being clocked higher. If clocked similarly, the X6 would still be faster. How is that something to celebrate?
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And they still sold out of every shop ive looked at for the 8150.Now i have to decide how long i want to wait without a computer,Payday hopefully a 8150 will be in stock, or try to hopefully sell my motherboard and get a intel board then wait for money for processor.Im kinda dissapointed but meh maybe it will get better. Maybe. Sad fact is i bought my motherboard beforehand and ordered the motherboard blocks for it. Send blocks back i lose 20% restocking, sell my motherboard and i lose least 40$.As im a paycheck to paycheck living person, I think im gonna have to stick with amd...
Edited by solar0987 - 10/13/11 at 1:28pm
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Also to the guy who seemed to think 4.7 GHz BD was totally unfair since it's basically capable of 5.5+ GHz - from the TechReport review:

Yep, 4.4GHz was about it. Perhaps we were a little timid, but raising the voltage beyond 1.465V on a brand-new, pre-release 32-nm processor felt like asking for trouble to us, especially with just air cooling. [...]

Worried that we weren't reaching our chip's full potential, we pinged AMD PR on the matter, who pointed us to a section in the reviewer's guide (a document we shamlessly ignore after extracting any useful info) that suggests 4.5GHz is a reasonable expectation for FX-8150 overclocking with an air cooler.

EDIT: Jagged Steel, still waiting for your response to my earlier post about what AMD promised and what was delivered.
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Why are the gaming benchmarks all over the place? In some reviews its 2-4 frames less then the 2600K
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SB @ 5.2 and BD @ 4.7!???? Yeah because that's fair...
You're a benchmarks editor, you should know that comparing clock speeds between different architectures is essentially worthless (compare a Pentium 4 at 3Ghz to a Sandy Bridge at 3Ghz). Besides, there are plenty of benchmarks out there where they matched the clock speeds and Bulldozer still lags behind.
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you have to read the last line i wrote.. People are getting into the habit of taking the worst written reviews like anandtech and quoting them extensively and convieniently ignoring guru3d, techspot and similar sites who have shown BD in a better light.
But thats just it "who have shown BD in a better light"..

There should be No showing of BD in a "Better Light".. show it as it is for what it is and the Answer is the same.. Bulldozer is Not a Good Chip..it is Not a good alternative to even AMD's previous chips. Bulldozer from a performance stand point and even a economic stand point is a failure.

For the Desktop user BD can be good at encoding/decoding (at the expense of electricity) and even then it's not good enough to justify it's Horrid performance in everything else except for Extreme overclocking.

After mentioning extreme overclocking... remember when the AMD Black 940 came out and they did their whole 3dmark 05/06 liquid helium stunt and at least showing that it had Some grunt behind the chip? Why did AMD not do the same for Bulldozer and instead just went after the "Speed Crown" which shows nothing of the power of the cpu.. maybe because they(AMD) knew the CPU was bad?

All they did was hide the fact that Bulldozer was and is a Failure and did what AMD does... Build hype.

I support both camps (AMD and Intel) but I do Not Approve of Bulldozer and do Not Approve of AMD's tactics... because in the end all it does is hurt consumers that don't know any better.
Edited by XxBeNigNxX - 10/13/11 at 1:38pm
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You're a benchmarks editor, you should know that comparing clock speeds between different architectures is essentially worthless (compare a Pentium 4 at 3Ghz to a Sandy Bridge at 3Ghz). Besides, there are plenty of benchmarks out there where they matched the clock speeds and Bulldozer still lags behind.
At 4.8GHz it even loses against a stock 2600K. I mean even Thuban is faster clock for clock.
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You're a benchmarks editor, you should know that comparing clock speeds between different architectures is essentially worthless (compare a Pentium 4 at 3Ghz to a Sandy Bridge at 3Ghz). Besides, there are plenty of benchmarks out there where they matched the clock speeds and Bulldozer still lags behind.
I know the average SB fails to reach 5.2 especially when you take safe temps on air into account. I know the opposite is true for Bulldozer too. So yes it's an unfair test.

CPC comparisons are daft, max stable overclocks that are relevant to users here however are not. They should of run stock.

I know it would still loose but at the current clock speeds this is pointless.

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But thats just it "who have shown BD in a better light"..

There should be No showing of BD in a "Better Light".. show it as it is for what it is and the Answer is the same.. Bulldozer is Not a Good Chip..it is Not a good alternative to even AMD's previous chips. Bulldozer from a performance stand point and even a economic stand point is a failure.

For the Desktop user BD can be good at encoding/decoding (at the expense of electricity) and even then it's not good enough to justify it's Horrid performance in everything else except for Extreme overclocking.

After mentioning extreme overclocking... remember when the AMD Black 940 came out and they did their whole 3dmark 05/06 liquid helium stunt and at least showing that it had Some grunt behind the chip? Why did AMD not do the same for Bulldozer and instead just went after the "Speed Crown" which shows nothing of the power of the cpu.. maybe because they(AMD) knew the CPU was bad?
They did a little. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=-YzdkkCV_Pg
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I wonder ln2 vs ln2 results

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Of course Bulldozer will win because it's chipset is cable of being overclocked unlike Sandy Bridge which has a 57x multiplier. So the max it would reach if the chipset could be pushed to reach 120 it would be 6.8Ghz which is kinda hard to beat but I think Bulldozer can reach 7Ghz with 4 modules.
It depends on what you're measuring. The only real reason to go LN2 is for HWBot benches (IMHO). We already know AMD just sucks at SuperPi (and pifast for that matter). That leaves WPrime, which Bulldozer is also horrible at because it lost FP cores relative to Thuban and really sucks compared to a 2600K. Doesn't matter the max multi. Here are just my personal results:

Time------------Frequency-------CPU
4sec 890ms * 6523 MHz * FX-8150 (WP32M wouldn't run any faster on my chip; full LN2 pot)
4sec 708ms * 5644 MHz * Phenom II X6 1100T BE (Also LN2, full pot.)
....and the real kick-in-the-teeth...
4sec 515ms * 5407.3 MHz * Core i7 2600K (On...wait for it... water.)

These things are fun to play with and do well at certain tasks, but don't buy one to go for HWBot global points.
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