Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Hardware News › [Official] AMD Bulldozer Reviews Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[Official] AMD Bulldozer Reviews Thread - Page 192

post #1911 of 2308
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Pistol View Post
Just like you get new GPUs with new APIs before the games using those APIs are released.

DX11 GPUs have been out for 2 years, and just now, Battlefield 3 is the first game designed from the ground up to utilize DX11. Hardware always comes before software.
Uh... no.

The difference here is the DX11 GPUs were actually faster. Even though DX11 technology wasn't utilized, the Radeon 5xxx series was simply faster in every way possible when using DX9 and DX 10 games.

BD is slower in everything other than the most threaded applications.

It's not the same thing. What AMD have created is a useless CPU. By the time the software comes around, there is no way in hell you're still going to be using a Bulldozer.
LV-426
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 3930k Asrock x79 Extreme6 Gigabyte 6950 unlocked 920/1375 16gb G.Skill DDR3 2133 mhz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
OCZ Agility 2 60 gb + 7.5 TBs of storage Pioneer DVD-RW Cooler Master 212+ Evo Windows 7 x64 Ultimate 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
ViewSonic 22" 1080p IBM Model M Corsair HX 1050w Cooler Master HAF X 
MouseAudio
Razer Lachesis 4000 dpi Creative XtremeMusic 
  hide details  
Reply
LV-426
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 3930k Asrock x79 Extreme6 Gigabyte 6950 unlocked 920/1375 16gb G.Skill DDR3 2133 mhz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
OCZ Agility 2 60 gb + 7.5 TBs of storage Pioneer DVD-RW Cooler Master 212+ Evo Windows 7 x64 Ultimate 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
ViewSonic 22" 1080p IBM Model M Corsair HX 1050w Cooler Master HAF X 
MouseAudio
Razer Lachesis 4000 dpi Creative XtremeMusic 
  hide details  
Reply
post #1912 of 2308
Quote:
Originally Posted by Homeles View Post
You make me

Stop making excuses. You're not an AMD engineer or anything. And Windows 8, which has an optimized scheduler? Still not equal to a 2500k.

Even if it was equal performance wise, the 2500k still has better power efficiency.


And by the time the software comes, both Bulldozer and Sandy Bridge will be irrelevant.
Since when did OCN become such a HUGE fan of power efficiency? Oh ya, yesterday when people needed something else to help them bash. Find a meaningful horn too blow.
Switch
(19 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4790k Asus Maximus VII Gene Sapphire Fury Tri-X G.Skill Sniper 16GB 1866mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung SSD 840 Evo 250GB 2x Hitachi Deskstar 7k1000.D Corsair H100i GTX W10 X64 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Asus 24" 1080P Acer XG270HU Corsair K95 Coolermaster Silent Pro Gold 800W 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Lian-Li PC-V359WX Logitech G502 Proteus Core Razer Exactmat Classix II Monitors 
AudioAudio
Dayton DTA-120 Class T Amp Sennheiser HD 598 
  hide details  
Reply
Switch
(19 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4790k Asus Maximus VII Gene Sapphire Fury Tri-X G.Skill Sniper 16GB 1866mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung SSD 840 Evo 250GB 2x Hitachi Deskstar 7k1000.D Corsair H100i GTX W10 X64 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Asus 24" 1080P Acer XG270HU Corsair K95 Coolermaster Silent Pro Gold 800W 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Lian-Li PC-V359WX Logitech G502 Proteus Core Razer Exactmat Classix II Monitors 
AudioAudio
Dayton DTA-120 Class T Amp Sennheiser HD 598 
  hide details  
Reply
post #1913 of 2308
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Pistol View Post
Well, if you spent 5+ years developing a technology and needed to get some money back on the project, you'd probably release it too.

AMD knows where they screwed up. It's guaranteed that they already have a design to address the current flaws of BD.
So you're saying that AMD started designing hardware 5 years ago that was meant for software that won't be around for another few years??? Thats a good strategy.

What my question has been ever since this mythical "future software will fix BD" argument came out is why on earth would you buy BD over an Intel processor that performs like a boss on software CURRENTLY available? Do I buy a CPU that performs great now or one that I have to wait for software to fix?
post #1914 of 2308
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sickened1 View Post
Since when did OCN become such a HUGE fan of power efficiency? Oh ya, yesterday when people needed something else to help them bash. Find a meaningful horn too blow.
What point are you trying to make? If a processor draws more power than another, and both yield equal performance, why the heck would anyone buy the one that draws more power?
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom 9750 (stock) MSI MS-7548 (Aspen) HD 6950 @ 971/1387 1.25v 8GB DDR2 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
750GB Windows 7 64-bit ASUS VH238H 1920x1080 Seasonic X-650 Gold 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
Rosewill Smart One Razer Naga Razer Scarab 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom 9750 (stock) MSI MS-7548 (Aspen) HD 6950 @ 971/1387 1.25v 8GB DDR2 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
750GB Windows 7 64-bit ASUS VH238H 1920x1080 Seasonic X-650 Gold 
CaseMouseMouse Pad
Rosewill Smart One Razer Naga Razer Scarab 
  hide details  
Reply
post #1915 of 2308
The problem with bulldozer is it is not as well designed as sandy bridge period. They had the same die space to work with, the same instruction set and extensions. Intel designed a better processor more then a year ago. Complex design decisions aside, intel has better funded R&D, more intelligent minds on their projects, and more resources for engineers at their disposal than AMD does. That is not likely to change ever. Bulldozer is the best AMD could come up with, and they gambled on making it fit for the software of the future because they can't compete with the software of today. Problem is, 5 years after the original planning of the design, 8 cores is not much more relevant in consumer space, and even to a large extent in server space, then it was 5 years ago. I don't think AMD can recover from this. They have really been dead in the water since phenom I.
post #1916 of 2308
Quote:
Originally Posted by PvtHudson View Post
Uh... no.

The difference here is the DX11 GPUs were actually faster. Even though DX11 technology wasn't utilized, the Radeon 5xxx series was simply faster in every way possible when using DX9 and DX 10 games.

BD is slower in everything other than the most threaded applications.

It's not the same thing. What AMD have created is a useless CPU. By the time the software comes around, there is no way in hell you're still going to be using a Bulldozer.


I was using that as an example of hardware coming before software, not performance increases from generation to generation. You took my statement completely out of context.
Everest - Intel
(19 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 4790k Gigabyte Z97X Gaming 7 MSI Geforce GTX 1080 Ti Gaming X 16GB (2x8) Patriot Viper 1866Mhz  
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Seagate 3TB, WD 500GB HDD, WD 640GB HD Samsung 850 EVO 512GB Samsung DVD-Burner Corsair H110 w/ Dual Aerocool DS 140mm fans 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Windows 10 Pro Dell S2716DG (1440p, 144hz Gsync) AOC U3477 PQU (3440x1440 IPS) Logitech G810 Orion Spectrum 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Evga SuperNOVA 750 G2 NZXT Phantom 530 Black Logitech G502 Proteus Core Corsair MM400 
AudioAudioAudio
Creative Sound Blaster E5 DAC/AMP Sennheiser HD 598 Headphones HyperX Cloud Headset 
  hide details  
Reply
Everest - Intel
(19 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 4790k Gigabyte Z97X Gaming 7 MSI Geforce GTX 1080 Ti Gaming X 16GB (2x8) Patriot Viper 1866Mhz  
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Seagate 3TB, WD 500GB HDD, WD 640GB HD Samsung 850 EVO 512GB Samsung DVD-Burner Corsair H110 w/ Dual Aerocool DS 140mm fans 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Windows 10 Pro Dell S2716DG (1440p, 144hz Gsync) AOC U3477 PQU (3440x1440 IPS) Logitech G810 Orion Spectrum 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Evga SuperNOVA 750 G2 NZXT Phantom 530 Black Logitech G502 Proteus Core Corsair MM400 
AudioAudioAudio
Creative Sound Blaster E5 DAC/AMP Sennheiser HD 598 Headphones HyperX Cloud Headset 
  hide details  
Reply
post #1917 of 2308
Quote:
Originally Posted by Homeles View Post
And by the time the software comes, both Bulldozer and Sandy Bridge will be irrelevant.
Not for the people who still have them.

I may buy four or five CPUs a year, but I am probably not a typical user. Most people run their chips till they are too slow to be tolerable.
Primary
(15 items)
 
Secondary
(13 items)
 
In progress
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
5820K @ 4.2/3.5GHz core/uncore, 1.175/1.15v Gigabyte X99 SOC Champion (F22n) Gigabyte AORUS GTX 1080 Ti (F3P) @ 2025/1485, 1... 4x4GiB Crucial @ 2667, 12-12-12-28-T1, 1.34v 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Plextor M6e 128GB (fw 1.06) M.2 (PCI-E 2.0 2x) 2x Crucial M4 256GB 4x WD Scorpio Black 500GB Noctua NH-D15 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1 BenQ BL3200PT Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless (MX Brown) Corsair RM1000x 
CaseMouseAudio
Fractal Design Define R4 Logitech G402 Realtek ALC1150 + M-Audio AV40 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
X5670 @ 4.4/3.2GHz core/uncore, 1.36 vcore, 1.2... Gigabyte X58A-UD5 r2.0 w/FF3mod10 BIOS Sapphire Fury Nitro OC+ @ 1053/500, 1.225vGPU/1... 2x Samsung MV-3V4G3D/US @ 2000, 10-11-11-30-T1,... 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
1x Crucial BLT4G3D1608ET3LX0 @ 2000, 10-11-11-3... OCZ (Toshiba) Trion 150 120GB Hyundai Sapphire 120GB 3x Hitachi Deskstar 7k1000.C 1TB 
CoolingOSPowerCase
Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 Pro x64 SP1 Antec TP-750 Fractal Design R5 
Audio
ASUS Xonar DS 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-6800K @ 4.3/3.5GHz core/uncore, 1.36/1.2v ASRock X99 OC Formula (P3.10) GTX 780 (temporary) 4x4GiB Crucial DDR4-2400 @ 11-13-12-28-T2, 1.33v 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Intel 600p 256GB NVMe 2x HGST Travelstar 7k1000 1TB Corsair H55 (temporary) Windows Server 2016 Datacenter 
PowerCase
Seasonic SS-860XP2 Corsair Carbide Air 540 
  hide details  
Reply
Primary
(15 items)
 
Secondary
(13 items)
 
In progress
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
5820K @ 4.2/3.5GHz core/uncore, 1.175/1.15v Gigabyte X99 SOC Champion (F22n) Gigabyte AORUS GTX 1080 Ti (F3P) @ 2025/1485, 1... 4x4GiB Crucial @ 2667, 12-12-12-28-T1, 1.34v 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Plextor M6e 128GB (fw 1.06) M.2 (PCI-E 2.0 2x) 2x Crucial M4 256GB 4x WD Scorpio Black 500GB Noctua NH-D15 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1 BenQ BL3200PT Filco Majestouch Tenkeyless (MX Brown) Corsair RM1000x 
CaseMouseAudio
Fractal Design Define R4 Logitech G402 Realtek ALC1150 + M-Audio AV40 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
X5670 @ 4.4/3.2GHz core/uncore, 1.36 vcore, 1.2... Gigabyte X58A-UD5 r2.0 w/FF3mod10 BIOS Sapphire Fury Nitro OC+ @ 1053/500, 1.225vGPU/1... 2x Samsung MV-3V4G3D/US @ 2000, 10-11-11-30-T1,... 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
1x Crucial BLT4G3D1608ET3LX0 @ 2000, 10-11-11-3... OCZ (Toshiba) Trion 150 120GB Hyundai Sapphire 120GB 3x Hitachi Deskstar 7k1000.C 1TB 
CoolingOSPowerCase
Noctua NH-D14 Windows 7 Pro x64 SP1 Antec TP-750 Fractal Design R5 
Audio
ASUS Xonar DS 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-6800K @ 4.3/3.5GHz core/uncore, 1.36/1.2v ASRock X99 OC Formula (P3.10) GTX 780 (temporary) 4x4GiB Crucial DDR4-2400 @ 11-13-12-28-T2, 1.33v 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Intel 600p 256GB NVMe 2x HGST Travelstar 7k1000 1TB Corsair H55 (temporary) Windows Server 2016 Datacenter 
PowerCase
Seasonic SS-860XP2 Corsair Carbide Air 540 
  hide details  
Reply
post #1918 of 2308
Unfortunately for AMD marketing, I'm happy with spending money on a new ram kit and heat sink to get a higher stable OC on my 1055 until BDv2.0 or w/e comes out. I will support them over intel just for competition sake, but they still gotta earn it. :O
Nexus
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
1055t EO @3780mhz 1.38v Biostar TA890GXE Asus DirectCu TOP GTX 460 1gb 8gb G. Skill ripjaws 1600mhz @ 8-9-8-23 1.5v 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
WD Caviar Blue 500gb, Corsair F40 40gb SSD boot... Windows 7 x64 SP1 SeaSonic Breeze 520w Rosewill Challenger Black 
  hide details  
Reply
Nexus
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
1055t EO @3780mhz 1.38v Biostar TA890GXE Asus DirectCu TOP GTX 460 1gb 8gb G. Skill ripjaws 1600mhz @ 8-9-8-23 1.5v 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
WD Caviar Blue 500gb, Corsair F40 40gb SSD boot... Windows 7 x64 SP1 SeaSonic Breeze 520w Rosewill Challenger Black 
  hide details  
Reply
post #1919 of 2308
anyone read that hardware heaven review, bassplayer pointed it out earlier, They really need to give every product a 9/10 or higher huh lol.
X99 Main Rig
(10 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 5960X Extreme Edition @ 4.5GHz Always Changing VisonTek R9 290 G.Skill Ripjaws 4 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 @ 3200MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Samsung 128GB M.2 PCI-E 4x SSD Apotop 256GB SSD 1.82TB NAS Noctua NH-D15 with both fans 
OSPower
Win7 Pro Enermax 1000W 
  hide details  
Reply
X99 Main Rig
(10 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 5960X Extreme Edition @ 4.5GHz Always Changing VisonTek R9 290 G.Skill Ripjaws 4 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 @ 3200MHz 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Samsung 128GB M.2 PCI-E 4x SSD Apotop 256GB SSD 1.82TB NAS Noctua NH-D15 with both fans 
OSPower
Win7 Pro Enermax 1000W 
  hide details  
Reply
post #1920 of 2308
But... it still sucks...

Quote:
Originally Posted by FenrirXIII View Post
Unfortunately for AMD marketing, I'm happy with spending money on a new ram kit and heat sink to get a higher stable OC on my 1055 until BDv2.0 or w/e comes out. I will support them over intel just for competition sake, but they still gotta earn it. :O
Piledriver.
 
ThinkPad W510
(12 items)
 
The Arkbird
(14 items)
 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
i7 3840QM Quadro K2000M 4x8gb Intel 525 Series 240gb mSATA 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Tray-load DVD Factory Windows 7 Pro 1080P "Ultrasharp" panel 
KeyboardPowerCase
Integrated Big 'ol brick M4700 chassis 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 820QM 4318-CTO Quadro FX 880M 4x4gb 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
X-25M G2 DVD Stock Arch x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerMouse
1080P touch screen IPS Clicky Brick Adapter UltraNav 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4x Xeon E7440s HP DL580 G3 Motherboard Rev. 1.1 ATi Rage XL Samsung ECC DDR2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
15K HP Ultra320 SCSI DVD Burner Bare Heatsinks + Chassis Airflow The Ever-Changing Distro... 
MonitorPowerCase
Only For Diagnostics.. 2x1300w (Redundant, Delta OEM) HP 4U Rackmount 
  hide details  
Reply
 
ThinkPad W510
(12 items)
 
The Arkbird
(14 items)
 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
i7 3840QM Quadro K2000M 4x8gb Intel 525 Series 240gb mSATA 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Tray-load DVD Factory Windows 7 Pro 1080P "Ultrasharp" panel 
KeyboardPowerCase
Integrated Big 'ol brick M4700 chassis 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 820QM 4318-CTO Quadro FX 880M 4x4gb 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
X-25M G2 DVD Stock Arch x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerMouse
1080P touch screen IPS Clicky Brick Adapter UltraNav 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
4x Xeon E7440s HP DL580 G3 Motherboard Rev. 1.1 ATi Rage XL Samsung ECC DDR2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
15K HP Ultra320 SCSI DVD Burner Bare Heatsinks + Chassis Airflow The Ever-Changing Distro... 
MonitorPowerCase
Only For Diagnostics.. 2x1300w (Redundant, Delta OEM) HP 4U Rackmount 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Hardware News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Hardware News › [Official] AMD Bulldozer Reviews Thread