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Since when did OCN become such a HUGE fan of power efficiency? Oh ya, yesterday when people needed something else to help them bash. Find a meaningful horn too blow.
Going from a system idling at 215 watts and just running prime95 (no GPU usage) would push the entire system to around 530 watts. Now add two video cards and game on it.

Enjoy that safety shut down on that 800 watt PSU, which is enough for a 2600K and probably 2x 580s.
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BD is still crap, no matter how you slice it. The only thing it has going for it is it's low cost.
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So you're saying that AMD started designing hardware 5 years ago that was meant for software that won't be around for another few years??? Thats a good strategy.

What my question has been ever since this mythical "future software will fix BD" argument came out is why on earth would you buy BD over an Intel processor that performs like a boss on software CURRENTLY available? Do I buy a CPU that performs great now or one that I have to wait for software to fix?
When dual cores first came to the consumer market, there weren't that many applications that could utilize them. The only thing that kept them afloat for the first couple years was because they were based around an already existing (and successful) single-core architecture, and that architecture (the Athlon 64 to Athlon 64 X2) was already very fast in single core form. Putting 2 on the same chip was a no-brainer.

AMD went from the traditional 1c/1t model to a 2c/1 module with shared L2 cache design with bulldozer. They took a risk, and lost. They probably should have tested this sort of design in a more discrete way instead of releasing it to the masses and then trying to cover over it with smoke and hype.
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Around 80 deleted posts
That actually explains a lot about how this thread was reading until I finally gave up and just skipped to the end.
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I'm generally a fairly rationale person for the most part, but the immense amount of delusional insanity that has run rampant is still enough to just make me .

Everyone keeps talking about these software patches, utilization updates and so forth, but you know what? I haven't seen anything that confirms any of this yet, and the way AMD has marketed this whole Bulldozer thing leads me to believe that I shouldn't believe in its existence until it's firmly out in the public--just like every damn person tried to argue that we shouldn't believe in any early "preview" or "benchmark."

Even if I wanted to buy into any speculative rumors, in-depth searches pending on this subject indicates the performance increase from any of these so-called "updates" or "patches" is at best a slight tweak in performance--nothing ground breaking.

Look, I'm pretty damn sure there would of been a ton of happy people if AMD merely were able to close the gap between it's current Phenom processors and Intel's Sandy Bridge, but you know what? Multiple scenarios indicate that even the architecture based off of the Phenom line is often superior, and I think this is what really jabs at the AMD supporters.

It took so damn long for AMD to release a CPU that was only better than an i5 2500k in a tiny fraction of minute scenarios, and often bested by AMD's own 3-4 year old Phenom architecture.

What.... WHAT? How can people not feel at least a little upset by that?

On one final note... Even if I wanted to support AMD (which I have done by currently owning a Phenom II x2 system for light usage), I wouldn't do it by buying any of these new processors. Why? It's significantly over priced in comparison to the current Phenom line, and the current Phenom line offers overall more balanced performance than any of these FX processors.

I see absolutely no reason to purchase an FX processor over the Phenom line since a Phenom will offer an overall better balance of performance instead of only being adapt in isolated scenarios which seem almost non-existent.
Edited by jivenjune - 10/13/11 at 6:52pm
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anyone read that hardware heaven review, bassplayer pointed it out earlier, They really need to give every product a 9/10 or higher huh lol.
A concerning eye on that website will see they are very well in favor of AMD but its subtle. Reminds me of the 580 vs 6970 benchmarking.
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I will not believe that AMD didn't catch, and know about this.
Of course they knew about this.

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From what I was reading in another thread, I heard that bulldozer wasn't "designed" it was computed. Automated programs mapped out it's architecture. No human ingenuity. That would explain a lot.
There is a lot of automation that goes into modern processor design, for both AMD and Intel. You simply cannot rely on a team of humans to efficiently arrange hundreds of millions of transistors and their interconnects.

Humans do the basic design, automation does most of the grunt work, then the humans go through and hand tweak things.
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I was using that as an example of hardware coming before software, not performance increases from generation to generation. You took my statement completely out of context.
I didn't take it out of context. I understood what you meant.

The problem, however, is that when new hardware does come out, even if software doesn't currently exist to make the fullest use of it, it still performs better in existing applications compared to previous hardware.

Athlon 64 was the first 64 bit processor for consumers. Hell, even today most applications are still 32 bit, the Athlon 64 still destroyed the Pentium 4 and dominated the market when just about everyone was using 32 bit Windows XP.

That is why your argument is a poor one unless destroying backwards compatibility was a goal for Bulldozer.
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Going from a system idling at 215 watts and just running prime95 (no GPU usage) would push the entire system to around 530 watts. Now add two video cards and game on it.
Remember that these are at the wall figures, which will be significantly (~15%) higher than what is actually drawn from the PSU.

BDs load power consumption is poor, especially when overclocked, but it's not as dire as some reviews make it out to be.
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Why doesnt everybody just shut up and get off the subject?

Arguing on the internet is about as fruitless as swinging a hammer at concrete.
Uhmmmm, you know hammers break concrete right?
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