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Originally Posted by Dman;15299472 
Again who cares? Why release something that is essentially useless today, and virtually no better then your previous product. It's like bringing a car that is optimized for a pavement track to an off road race, and then saying "Well it would've done well on pavement." When you clearly knew it was an off road race. There was no point in releasing this product at this time, and trying to justify it with the excuse "It doesn't work with anything that is out there today." is just dumb.

Does no one remember how crazy it was when they put TWO CORES on one cpu? How long did it take for that little bit of hardware change be worked into programming. OH RIGHT, the majority of programs still don't take advantage of multicore cpu's.

Mad beat me to it, but this is still a valid response.
Edited by Maelthras - 10/13/11 at 6:57pm
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Originally Posted by PvtHudson;15299712 
I didn't take it out of context. I understood what you meant.

The problem, however, is that when new hardware does come out, even if software doesn't currently exist to make the fullest use of it, it still performs better in existing applications compared to previous hardware.

Athlon 64 was the first 64 bit processor for consumers. Hell, even today most applications are still 32 bit, the Athlon 64 still destroyed the Pentium 4 and dominated the market when just about everyone was using 32 bit Windows XP.

That is why your argument is a poor one unless destroying backwards compatibility was a goal for Bulldozer.

I wasn't trying to cover for AMD. I was using an example to help quell some speculation.

AMD did it right with the Athlon 64. They tweaked an already existing architecture, moved the memory controller onto the chip, added 64-bit extensions, and released it. With the X2, they added a 2nd Athlon 64 core. AMD made sure that the Athlon 64 was still faster than the Athlon XP clock-for-clock, and as a bonus, they beat Intel as well. They also made the first consumer 64-bit CPU. The fact that it performed well in 32-bit apps is what really sold it, though.

As I said in an earlier post, AMD bet that software would be extremely threaded at this point in history, and in that regard, BD would probably be faster. The problem is that the software isn't there yet. They built a CPU based on an architecture that 99% of programs out there have no clue how to utilize. Thus, performance sucks.
Edited by Mad Pistol - 10/13/11 at 7:11pm
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Originally Posted by Sin0822;15299596 
anyone read that hardware heaven review, bassplayer pointed it out earlier, They really need to give every product a 9/10 or higher huh lol.

Yeah...I read that and laughed as well
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All that for twice the power consumption compared to a $60 cheaper 2500K.
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I really wish everyone would stop saying that "bulldozer" is a failure when they should be saying "zambezi" or "FX" is a failure.

As someone who sells X86 servers and VMware licensing, I can tell you that bulldozer looks to be a very good server architecture for running virtual machines. A 16 core CPU is going to save a customer alot of money on VMware licenses as they license per CPU not per core.

On a side note, I am looking forward to seeing more reviews on the FX-6100 and FX-4100 CPU's. These look much better price/performance wise for client computing. I suspect that we will see similar performance between the FX-8150 and FX-6100 in most benchmarks, especially when overclocked. Also I expect thermals to be much lower on the 4 and 6 core parts. These chips could be FX's saving grace.
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so wait....disabling 4 of the cores and BD is actually pretty decent...? it seems pretty good from this but maybe im wrong...?
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Not for the people who still have them.

I may buy four or five CPUs a year, but I am probably not a typical user. Most people run their chips till they are too slow to be tolerable.
Now that's a legitimate argument... not one of the straws people are grasping for around here. If you're not going to upgrade for another 4 years (which isn't most of the people around here) and there was some real promise of Bulldozer becoming a faster processor than what Intel currently offers, then buying Bulldozer could be justifiable. Although, you'd probably save enough money from energy savings to buy a new processor by the time that software support came around. tongue.gif

Unfortunately for AMD, the applications I use would benefit most from a Sandy Bridge processor. By the time I have money for an upgrade, it'll be after Ivy Bridge is out. This Phenom's really starting to wear on me.
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so wait....disabling 4 of the cores and BD is actually pretty decent...? it seems pretty good from this but maybe im wrong...?

You have to disable 4 of the integer cores in 4 different modules to have this work. If you disable 2 of the cores in the same module, it doesn't work.

It basically takes an 8c/4m CPU and turns it into a 4c/4m CPU. That's when you see the IPC increase. At that level, IPC is pretty comparable to (if not a little bit better than) a Phenom II core.
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This still does not change the fact that im very disappointed how they treated the consumer segment with bulldozer. It might be nice for server space, but its just insulting to consumers like us, performance wise.
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric;15299539 
So you're saying that AMD started designing hardware 5 years ago that was meant for software that won't be around for another few years??? Thats a good strategy. doh.gif
Intel did that with Skulltrail.

Anyway, just think back to Windows 98/ME that did not properly support Intel Hyper-threading. If the OS can properly use BD's architecture so it does not thrash, it can perform a bit better.
Edited by Riou - 10/13/11 at 7:14pm
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