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soooo... to my understanding its basically the same thing as hyperthreading. except its called 4 modules and 8 cores. not 4 cores and 8 threads. The 4 cores will perform more efficiently when it doesnt have 2 threads choose from.

In the end, I personally see it as being an AMD Phenom II X4 with hyperthreading. But the threads are called actual cores.

That is OBVIOUSLY not what it really is in actuality. But, its a good enough analogy that fits perfect with it's reasoning.
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Again who cares? Why release something that is essentially useless today, and virtually no better then your previous product. It's like bringing a car that is optimized for a pavement track to an off road race, and then saying "Well it would've done well on pavement." When you clearly knew it was an off road race. There was no point in releasing this product at this time, and trying to justify it with the excuse "It doesn't work with anything that is out there today." is just dumb.
Sony did the exact same thing with their CPU(Not that they made it...).

If AMD feels this is the future than they got to start somewhere. If Ivy Bridges sucked it doesn't mean it was a failure... because the general concept is still great and it'll get better in time as it is adopted.

Some people are still running XP(or any other software) because they hate change whereas some people are willing to go through a temporary inconvenience if it means paying off later.

AMD and Intel's engineers are probably smarter than most of us in this thread. While it would have been smarter(seemingly) to dumb it down slightly and gradually introduce the differences introduced in Bulldozer/Ivy Bridge(which has it's share of problems currently too, like the ram placement for example.) they didn't so we'll have to do it.

My only compliant is that AMD wasn't more clear about what Bulldozer SHOULD do and what it is meant for. You could literally sell poop to people and satisfy them if that's what they wanted.
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This is like buying a 4x4 and then forcing all the power to one wheel for better speed.

Pathetic.
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the benchmarks make bulldozer look horrible...Let's not forget how dual cores looked when they first came out, they weren't better than single cored cpus unless the program supported them. Does anyone think that is the case here?
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So long as those sever chips don't have crazy power consumption, then they'll do fine in servers. We knew Bulldozer was server first, client 2nd.
well the idle power consumption has been good in the tests. Also the power consumption really only gets out of hand at high overclocks, which obviously wont an issue on the Opterons.

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Not really, at least at current prices. The FX-4100 can't compete with a Phenom II X4 955 BE clock for clock, and it is even beaten in many benchmarks by the A8-3850. As to the FX-6100 it's more expensive than the Phenom II X6 1090T, and if the FX-8150 already struggles to beat the Thuban and loses in other cases, I can't imagine what happens in this case.

I'm sure there is a set of benchmarks already featuring the FX-4100 and FX-6100. If someone remembers which site did them, I'd be much appreciated.
who cares about clock for clock when the FX-41XX should be able to clock 500-1000MHz above PII X4.

I dont know how reputable this site is but the benchmarks paint an interesting picture for the 4 and 6 core chips.
http://www.legionhardware.com/articl...fx_4170,1.html
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but by the time that happens something else with 8 cores will be out, and better at it, looks at Conroe, and then Athlon64 x2's.

look familiar?
But if they are not configured the same way, they are gonna have the same problem bd is having.
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since when is blender a benchmarking tool? what did they render with it?
    
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But if they are not configured the same way, they are gonna have the same problem bd is having.
its something that only time will tell, its just a gamble mostly right now, and its not worth it when a established product (2500K/2600K) is already out there.
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I'm still buying an 8150 and a Sabertooth 990FX for my next build just because I want to try something different. You can never have too many computers right?
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I'm referring to Interlagos based Opterons not Zambezi based FX. You are correct that bulldozer architecture cant measure up to SB in lightly threaded client applications. Servers running dozens or hundreds of VM's is a totally different ballgame.
No doubt Opty's have been strong in the server market many years but irrelevant to the bulldozer discussion happening far and wide.
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