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I wasn't saying it was a performance issue. Just that Intel's products aren't always perfect either.

Besides, Intel put out a solution for the issue. I'm sure if there is one with AMD's product that is resolvable, they will too.
ONE Transistor.

Seriously. Just for ONE transistor of an issue which had never reached an instance of it happening to a consumer.
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If you render the same scene with any 3D application, they're benchmarking tools.

Probably better ones in fact than the synthetic ones because they'll use the memory controllers and the RAM in general a lot more, you get a better idea of the system's power and how well the CPU accesses data in addition to simply how well it processes it.
Blender is better than a synthetic benchmark because it's not a synthetic benchmark.

Blender is a pretty popular program that is used to actually do stuff, sometimes even real work. So, it's performance is much more relevant.
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ONE Transistor.

Seriously. Just for ONE transistor of an issue which had never reached an instance of it happening to a consumer.
Don't underplay this . 15% of the motherboards failed during Intel's testing and would cost around $88 per motherboard to repair...and estimated to cost Intel $1 billion.

Back on topic: Hope this Bulldozer issue is resolved soon. It's getting old reading these troll posts to get some worthwhile input.
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ONE Transistor.

Seriously. Just for ONE transistor of an issue which had never reached an instance of it happening to a consumer.
Er...it has reached some consumers. You can find them in blogs and message boards. People got these boards and didn't know about the recall until after it happened to them.

Intel did what it could to stop shipments and recall them, but some did get sold as parts and in computers systems to consumers.
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Er...it has reached some consumers. You can find them in blogs and message boards. People got these boards and didn't know about the recall until after it happened to them.

Intel did what it could to stop shipments and recall them, but some did get sold as parts and in computers systems to consumers.
What they did was switch their drives to the Sata 3 slots.

Some didn't bother to respond to the recall after that.
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No, not with the BIOS. But as I recall, Intel's chipset for Sandy Bridge was not without its problems.

...From Intel's own technology blog...

No one is perfect.

Like the performance evals, I will now wait for multiple sources to do comparisons. In fact, I am gonna message a reviewer I have talked to and see if he's going to look into this. It would make a great article for his website.
That has nothing to do with the conversation. Its was a verys slightly bugged SATA controller problem (leaking transistor). And all you had to do was use the other SATA ports (if you were in the 3% it affected).

This issue never affected the platforms performance at all, but could lead to degraded SATA functionality over time.
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remember this?



hmmmmmm my say is

BD BROKE OUR HEARTS! (out of disappointment)
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Not sure if I trust these benches so far but if true, I'm very disappointed.
I've been reading a few of these reviews and - I'm really less than impressed. Even the relatively non memory intensive benchmarks like SuperPI calculations really favor the Core i* series of CPUs.
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Don't underplay this . 15% of the motherboards failed during Intel's testing and would cost around $88 per motherboard to repair...and estimated to cost Intel $1 billion.

Back on topic: Hope this Bulldozer issue is resolved soon. It's getting old reading these troll posts to get some worthwhile input.
One of my friends who is stationed overseas still is running a B2 board that I had bought for him in january and shipped to him and he has had zero issues with it. I remember reading one thread over at XS but that was it. If you use the sata 3 ports you'll never have an issue.
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That has nothing to do with the conversation. Its was a verys slightly bugged SATA controller problem (leaking transistor). And all you had to do was use the other SATA ports (if you were in the 3% it affected).

This issue never affected the platforms performance at all, but could lead to degraded SATA functionality over time.
BD is a radically different design from anything out there. A proper bios could make a difference in performance... not 50% difference, but 10-15% isn't out of the question.

From the reviewers that used the ASRock 990FX motherboards, BD was on par with or beat an i5 2500k in almost all of their tests. In some cases, it was neck and neck with the 2600k (and in a rare few, it beat the 2600k). The FX 8150 also showed to be significantly faster than any Phenom II X6 in multi-threaded applications in the ASRock motherboards too.

The reviewers that used the ASUS 990FX board were collectively disappointed because BD failed to even match the i5 2500k. This isn't a coincidence; there is a real issue with the current BIOS in the Crosshair V motherboard.


Look, AMD priced the FX 8150 to slot inbetween the 2500k and 2600k. When paired with the right motherboard, the FX 8150 fits perfectly. Do you honestly believe AMD would price themselves out of the market when their product doesn't deliver? They don't have the funds to do that; they have to be competitive on the price front from the get-go, or they can't move inventory.
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