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Any magic bios, cpu drivers, cache fixes, registry hacks, or any other performance increases happen since release?
    
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Did anyone really think an 8-core would be a good idea for gaming? It's preposterous. Same goes with 6-cores(*cough* Thuban), if you don't plan on having all those cores under 100% load for some duration of time.. there's no point. And honestly, nothing is pushing 8 cores besides encoding, rendering, simulation, etc.

I think the new hack will be running Windows 7 in 128-bit mode. Then it can get close to using all of BD's power

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Are you seriously trying to compare a new gen CPU to a last gen CPU? It is common knowledge that Nehalem was hugely power hungry and an issue Intel succeeded in addressing with Sandy Bridge. Nehalem was also the most powerful processor upon release, so the performance crown justified the higher power consumption from an enthusiast standpoint. BD has not seized any performance crowns, while having a much greater power consumption level. Short of being a blatant AMD fanboy, there is little justification for recommending a BD build unless you are simply upgrading the CPU, of which you may need to upgrade your PSU as well.
An 8150 at 4.6 under load uses 25W more than a 980X at 4.54(Anandtech). Gulftown vs. BD is fair, both are on 32nm, so it's fair to compare power consumption. Of course BD doesn't win on performance, but it's power usage is not that high, considering it has 2B transistors, vs. maybe 1.4ish of the 980X.
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Right now there simply is not any real place for BD with Intel's current offerings. I can see a future where once OS systems and programs become more adept at multi-core management and we can benefit from AMD's proposed modularity and scalability of their architecture. However, they NEED to get the power down!
Unfortunately, even in apps that saturate all cores 100%, BD still can't match the 2600k. Meanwhile, apps that are lightly threaded, it gets completely demolished.

Maybe I'm out of touch with money, but is $60 really THAT much of a make or break deal for anyone out there that they would get a Bulldozer over a 2600k?
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Unfortunately, even in apps that saturate all cores 100%, BD still can't match the 2600k. Meanwhile, apps that are lightly threaded, it gets completely demolished.

Maybe I'm out of touch with money, but is $60 really THAT much of a make or break deal for anyone out there that they would get a Bulldozer over a 2600k?
Love the sig. Poor JF...

Perhaps I'm the same as you, and out of touch?

I have a ton of bills every week (aprox 80% of my wage goes to bills) and yet I still wouldn't mind parting with the extra dough, for more then a little extra performance.
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BD isn't a bad processor from a price/performance standpoint.
Dont know where youre getting your figures from, but actually, Sandy Bridge and the Phenom X6's totally blow it away in terms of price/performance.., so it's price/performance ratio actually IS bad.

Almost 100$ more compared to a 1100T while performing worse in games and just 10% (which are often not even reached) better in multi-threaded apps? lolnothanks.
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This thread is a terrible read. Everyone who doesn't bother reading links and provided information should be given a ban until they stop parrotting other peoples conjecture. As for the Intel fanboys, you're all pathetic and need help if you need to constantly criticise AMD in order to compensate for lacking in certain parts of your anatomy. Also it's childish because it's obvious you were terrified AMD might dethrone your 'god' and now feel the need to spam with nonsense in order to make yourself feel better. This reminds me of the A64 days, had the same stupid nonsense then too.
Well I've nearly always owned AMD's CPU's, (apart form a year or so when Core 2 Duo came out).

What was your first AMD cpu? Mine was an AM486-DX4-100. So please don't try to put everything into that group you like to define as 'Intel fanboys' just because their opinion is not something you wish to hear.

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Did anyone really think an 8-core would be a good idea for gaming? It's preposterous. Same goes with 6-cores(*cough* Thuban), if you don't plan on having all those cores under 100% load for some duration of time.. there's no point. And honestly, nothing is pushing 8 cores besides encoding, rendering, simulation, etc.
A little google on DX11 multi-threaded rendering might change your opinion of that one.

Both Civ 5 and BF3 use more than 4 cores if available.
Edited by Dublin_Gunner - 10/17/11 at 2:33am
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An 8150 at 4.6 under load uses 25W more than a 980X at 4.54(Anandtech). Gulftown vs. BD is fair, both are on 32nm, so it's fair to compare power consumption. Of course BD doesn't win on performance, but it's power usage is not that high, considering it has 2B transistors, vs. maybe 1.4ish of the 980X.
Its not fair at all especially from a price or performance standpoint. Gulftown blows away bd and the only reason bd fans compare it against a 980x is because of the price difference.

I can't wait for the 3930K vs 8150 comparisons. Its going to be a bloodbath
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The poor performance of BD actually really sucks for us consumers, so I don't know why anyone would be happy for that reason, seriously guys, the less competition the more we pay and the less we benefit so in the end it's us who gets screwed if one company lags behind.

However, there's one reason why I find BD's epic fail hilarious and that is because I get to see AMD fanboys drowning in their tears over nothing but loyalty to a company that shouldn't even be there in the first place. I would feel the exact same if an Intel release flopped and Intel fanboys started feeling bad because their "mighty" company failed.

Screw brand loyalty guys, go for whatever performs better or has better value.

I'm also shaking my head at AMD right now cause they screwed up royally with this terrible product. Shame on you AMD!
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I just saw this right now:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=434

Pretty crazy, considering the 1100T is running at 3.3, while BD is running at 3.6. Not to mention a $90 difference between them. BD is 33% more, with 25% more cores, no power consumption numbers were given.

I know this isn't news, but if anyone that doesn't go Intel for personal reasons, they'd be much better off with an 1100T. Or if gaming go with a 955 for $120 and call it a day.
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There is most definitely a Windows 7 AMD FX – software patch in the works. By most estimates the AMD Bulldozer FX is underperforming by 40-70% in most Windows 7 benchmarks. By forcing Windows 7 to recognize 8 cpu cores a huge performance hit has happened. The Bulldozer FX-8xxx design… really isn’t 8 cores, it’s a 4 core CPU with an extra integer pipeline on each core. If the FX-8xxx series scale according to the 4 and 6 core Bulldozer design than there is a serious bug in Windows 7 that is crippling the FX-8150 performance.
The one thing that is for-sure here is that every hardware review website rushed to be the first to publish an AMD FX-8150 review, they all used the same generic benchmarks and NONE did any real world computing. The game is fixed, the big-dog spreads around the most ad-dollars.

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