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I just saw this right now:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=434

Pretty crazy, considering the 1100T is running at 3.3, while BD is running at 3.6. Not to mention a $90 difference between them. BD is 33% more, with 25% more cores, no power consumption numbers were given.

I know this isn't news, but if anyone that doesn't go Intel for personal reasons, they'd be much better off with an 1100T. Or if gaming go with a 955 for $120 and call it a day.
You are forgetting that the BD hasn't matured yet with optimizations and overclocks way beyond what the 1100T (or any Phenom II) is capable of.

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There is most definitely a Windows 7 AMD FX – software patch in the works. By most estimates the AMD Bulldozer FX is underperforming by 40-70% in most Windows 7 benchmarks. By forcing Windows 7 to recognize 8 cpu cores a huge performance hit has happened. The Bulldozer FX-8xxx design… really isn’t 8 cores, it’s a 4 core CPU with an extra integer pipeline on each core. If the FX-8xxx series scale according to the 4 and 6 core Bulldozer design than there is a serious bug in Windows 7 that is crippling the FX-8150 performance.
The one thing that is for-sure here is that every hardware review website rushed to be the first to publish an AMD FX-8150 review, they all used the same generic benchmarks and NONE did any real world computing. The game is fixed, the big-dog spreads around the most ad-dollars.

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I've seen this mentioned. I (along with many others) am waiting a while to see what new BIOS and drivers will do to overall BD performance. You're an idiot if you don't think it will make any difference. It's already been shown by all the discrepancies between benchmarks on different motherboards. Some of the new BIOS don't even work properly and crash the system. It's gonna be a few weeks until all is said and done.

Everyone needs to take all these reviews with a huge bag of salt for now. They were all rushed so that they would be the first to show the information. Most of the overclocking done was very hack and slash and not indicative of what could be achieved by a good methodical approach. They just ramped the speed up and threw voltage at it. Most of them didn't adjust RAM to 1866 Mhz or beyond... they didn't increase the north bridge much, if it all.

Everyone has been jumping to conclusions that all these numbers you are seeing are final and not taking into account that this is a completely new design for AMD's CPU. The operating system and BIOS has not yet been tailored to it. Relax.
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The one thing that is for-sure here is that every hardware review website rushed to be the first to publish an AMD FX-8150 review, they all used the same generic benchmarks and NONE did any real world computing. The game is fixed, the big-dog spreads around the most ad-dollars.

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I don't really understand this statement. Reviewers had chips for weeks and didn't rush anything. They tested and tested tons of different setups. It wasn't EVERY setup, but it never is. Now, what about this "real world" computing claim? Do they expect reviewers to open up their web browsers and windows explorer and say one "feels" better than the other? What a joke. Besides, the did plenty of real-world benchmarks. They did game performance with a lot of different games, photoshop, x264, winzip/7zip, and a bunch of other tests that are all very real-world.
    
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I don't really understand this statement. Reviewers had chips for weeks and didn't rush anything. They tested and tested tons of different setups. It wasn't EVERY setup, but it never is. Now, what about this "real world" computing claim? Do they expect reviewers to open up their web browsers and windows explorer and say one "feels" better than the other? What a joke. Besides, the did plenty of real-world benchmarks. They did game performance with a lot of different games, photoshop, x264, winzip/7zip, and a bunch of other tests that are all very real-world.
If they had them for weeks then why didn't they get some decent RAM running on the system. Most of the reviews I've seen are running 1333 to 1600 MHz RAM not 1866. And their overclocks, while good, are not overclocking the north bridge or anything else. We know AMD CPUs respond very well to north bridge overclocks.

Yes they did plenty of 'real world' tests with games and such but when the settings are turned up (who plays games at 1024 x 768 resolution with no effects?) BD performs just as well a i5 2500Ks in most of the reviews I've seen. It even outperforms i5 2500Ks in FPS at high settings. Which is what gamers want.

You guys can pick and choose what you want out of the benchmarks but so can we.
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There is most definitely a Windows 7 AMD FX – software patch in the works. By most estimates the AMD Bulldozer FX is underperforming by 40-70% in most Windows 7 benchmarks. By forcing Windows 7 to recognize 8 cpu cores a huge performance hit has happened. The Bulldozer FX-8xxx design… really isn’t 8 cores, it’s a 4 core CPU with an extra integer pipeline on each core. If the FX-8xxx series scale according to the 4 and 6 core Bulldozer design than there is a serious bug in Windows 7 that is crippling the FX-8150 performance.
The one thing that is for-sure here is that every hardware review website rushed to be the first to publish an AMD FX-8150 review, they all used the same generic benchmarks and NONE did any real world computing. The game is fixed, the big-dog spreads around the most ad-dollars.

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Unprecedented forum censorship on this article and objective AMD Bulldozer performance test. These sites are thrashing the Bulldozer and shutting down objective analysis.

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The only thing I'm not understanding is about how Windows 7 isn't "optimized" for BD's 4C/8M thing. At work we use 8Core Xeon Windows 7 Workstations and they work just fine without any OS "Optimizations".

Is this because it's actually a 4Core CPU that's trying to trick Windows into thinking it's actually 8cores? And yes, I know how Hyperthreading works, so I'm just curious as to why the all the talk about Registry Hacks and Optimizations to make it work with Windows 7 more "optimally".

Did AMD not test their chips, or use some In-House Operating System?
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I must say, objectivity is key on that website . Getting back to the whole W7 vs BD thing, one would think that Microsoft launched W7 after BD and AMD had no time to actually test the product on W7. W7 has been out for so long and I wonder, what OS was used by the AMD engineers to test these products?


To blame the OS because your architecture is too advanced tops the whole 'the dog ate my homework' thing. If that is the case, why not launch the product when W8 comes out?
 
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The only thing I'm not understanding is about how Windows 7 isn't "optimized" for BD's 4C/8M thing. At work we use 8Core Xeon Windows 7 Workstations and they work just fine without any OS "Optimizations".

Is this because it's actually a 4Core CPU that's trying to trick Windows into thinking it's actually 8cores? And yes, I know how Hyperthreading works, so I'm just curious as to why the all the talk about Registry Hacks and Optimizations to make it work with Windows 7 more "optimally".

Did AMD not test their chips, or use some In-House Operating System?
From what I have read it's the scheduler not assigning tasks properly to the CPU. Windows 8 is supposed to handle it better and they are planning an update for Windows 7 that hopefully helps. I have no idea if the update will be handled/created by Microsoft or AMD.

Years ago there was something similar for dual core AMD CPUs. AMD made a driver that you downloaded and installed. It made Windows more responsive afterwards.
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If they had them for weeks then why didn't they get some decent RAM running on the system. Most of the reviews I've seen are running 1333 to 1600 MHz RAM not 1866. And their overclocks, while good, are not overclocking the north bridge or anything else. We know AMD CPUs respond very well to north bridge overclocks.

Yes they did plenty of 'real world' tests with games and such but when the settings are turned up (who plays games at 1024 x 768 resolution with no effects?) BD performs just as well a i5 2500Ks in most of the reviews I've seen. It even outperforms i5 2500Ks in FPS at high settings. Which is what gamers want.

You guys can pick and choose what you want out of the benchmarks but so can we.
I can't believe we're at the point in this game where you complain about 1600MHz RAM. The BD can use 2133 RAM and compare itself to an intel system with 1333MHz RAM and the intel will STILL wipe the floor with it for less money in everything but winrar and SOME encoding benchmarks.

I didn't comment on bulldozers performance at all. I didn't cite anything about low res gaming benchmarks either, there are plenty of both floating around. I didn't pick and chose benchmarks or even link any in my post, so I'm not sure why you decide to get all defensive and explain to me that you don't understand GPU bottlenecks. The reviewers even explain them to you in the reviews. But since you brought it up...

Even the posters in the AMD forum (the ones that aren't already in the intel forums by now) are recommending X4 and X6 instead of the bulldozers for gaming, so apparently that 1 extra FPS on all max settings isn't quite what gamers are looking for.
    
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Are there benchmarks on Windows 8 beta
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Are there benchmarks on Windows 8 beta
Windows 8 is not even at the beta stage
 
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