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There is most definitely a Windows 7 AMD FX – software patch in the works. By most estimates the AMD Bulldozer FX is underperforming by 40-70% in most Windows 7 benchmarks. By forcing Windows 7 to recognize 8 cpu cores a huge performance hit has happened. The Bulldozer FX-8xxx design… really isn’t 8 cores, it’s a 4 core CPU with an extra integer pipeline on each core. If the FX-8xxx series scale according to the 4 and 6 core Bulldozer design than there is a serious bug in Windows 7 that is crippling the FX-8150 performance.
The one thing that is for-sure here is that every hardware review website rushed to be the first to publish an AMD FX-8150 review, they all used the same generic benchmarks and NONE did any real world computing. The game is fixed, the big-dog spreads around the most ad-dollars.

Source

has this been posted already?

LOL...this has pretty much been proven to be a hoax. There is no registry patch. i was really hoping that site would have been taken down by now.
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Power Consumption Calculations:
8150
Idle: 128*8760(1 year)/1K = 1121.28
Load: 260*8760/1K = 2277.6

2600K
Idle: 124*8760/1K = 1086.24
Load: 202*8760/1K = 1769.52

Cost to me is 0.12 per kwh... So that means.......

8150 Cost per year:
Idle: $134.55
Load: $273.31

2600K Cost per year:
Idle: $130.35
Load: $212.34

Now I may be making this up... but most computers aren't running under full load 24/7/365. So the MAX savings if you get is $60.97. I'd say with realistic usage scenarios and such, the real world difference would be less than $10.

So yea, I do find it hard people keep harping on this... Sure it drinks more juice to get the job done... but its extremely insignificant... Considering how the GPU market is with power consumption, this kind of variation is almost not worth pointing out for real world cost...
But you have to factor in the need for a more powerful PSU. BD draws 66w more than SB, so with OC it'll probably draw 100w more. You'll need to spend $15-20 more on PSU when you're buying BD. So in the worse case scenario, the BD is $80 more for the initial year, and $60 more every year after that. The cost difference between the 2600K and FX-8150 can be easily saved during the first year of usage. You'll get a system that's much faster in lightly threaded programs.
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^^^ Yeah all this Windows 8 talk - What if it turns out to be Vista all over again? Will BD users switch to it because it's %4 faster? Will the Intel chips be %5 faster? Enough of putting carrots in front of people AMD - what are you doing for us now?
I can already tell you that Win8, will be another Vista.

Microsoft releases 1 good OS, then 1 bad OS, then 1 good OS, then 1 bad... and so on. Microsoft is just like Star Trek movies in this regards; as they always release 1 good film, then 1 bad, then 1 good, then 1 bad, and so on...

Generally this only applies to the Microsofts normal OS's and not their server stuff and follows a tradition going all the way back to Windows 3.0/3.1; which was revolutionary; then followed with Win95 which while it was a great leap in GUI, wasn't much better... but then followed with Win98 which was great; followed that by WinME which was so horrible it only lasted 3 months before MS had it yanked from store shelves; then follow that with WinXP and we all know how great and awesome XP is in its prime; then follow that with Vista, then Win7... and as the cycle goes, Windows 8 is next in line to be the next horrible OS.

I foresee Win8 as Microsofts first step into the mainstream Mobile Device market and it won't do so well for the average Desktop Gamer; more so for the average Desktop user whose used to the current Windows GUI layout and then suddenly they're forced to relearn it all, all over again with Win8 totally redesigned GUI?

I don't think so!

Windows 7 is just in its prime, many businesses are only just now starting to switch over to it; some are still on windows XP as mine is!

So no...

Bulldozer, will not pick up with Windows 8 because I foresee not many people will rush to upgrade to Windows 8... and the majority of us will want to stick with Windows 7 and Bulldozer will forever be handicapped by that.
     
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Now I may be making this up... but most computers aren't running under full load 24/7/365. So the MAX savings if you get is $60.97. I'd say with realistic usage scenarios and such, the real world difference would be less than $10.

So yea, I do find it hard people keep harping on this... Sure it drinks more juice to get the job done... but its extremely insignificant... Considering how the GPU market is with power consumption, this kind of variation is almost not worth pointing out for real world cost...
Let's take a step back and look at the bigger picture here.

- Bulldozer is clearly being advertised by AMD as being strong in programs that support multi-core management. When considering its piss poor single core performance, it is not for your standard consumer who only needs to open up mail and watch youtube. This means the that BD will be used by servers, video/audio encoders, virtualization, and folding.
- Enthusiasts often leave their computers on all the time to do stuff. I have my on 24/7 and it acts as a localized Minecraft server, media server, and other purposes.
- For some customers' it may really be as little as $10, but that is not the argument here. The argument is that after all this time, with BD ONLY being comparable, AMD needs every reason to convince people to buy their underwhelming offering. Why would people want to buy something it is just comparable in terms of pricing and performance when the Intel offerings can provide the same if not better with a much lower power consumption level.

I am not saying that BD is a bad CPU, just that with it is only comparable on performance or price levels, it cannot afford anything that will further push it back and the power consumption level does just that. AMD needs to address the power issue ASAP, just like how Intel addressed theirs with Nehalem. The difference though is Nehalem had the performance crown to somewhat justify the heavy power usage.
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Are there benchmarks on Windows 8 beta
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Windows 8 is not even at the beta stage
You can download a Windows 8 preview iso right here? It says prebeta, but you would think process management would have been one of the first things to be ironed out before adding all the bells and whistles.

Link.
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Posted this in another thread, I think it still applies:

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The more reviews I read, the more confused I get about what sort of per-core performance BD has...

http://www.legionhardware.com/articl...fx_4170,6.html

If you look at the 4170, it isn't doing too badly for a quad. Now I don't know if the quad core is a 4 module with 1 broken core in each (and so it gets decent results because it's not sharing resources between each core) or a standard 2 module with 4 core version, but there is clearly something seriously wrong with their 8-core version, since with 4 more of those same cores it should still be a lot faster in those games, and yet it refuses to scale up from there. I don't know if it's a software or a hardware problem but AMD need to explain and address THIS first, and fast, if they want anyone to buy any Bulldozer CPUs.

Also if their FX 4170 isn't just a broken 8 core, I may well consider buying it just to see what kind of overclocks I can get out of it.
Also see this:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-fx...ance-review/10

Again, I don't know if it's a problem with the processor itself or with the OS/BIOS/mobo or whatever, but the 8 core clearly has a lot of potential left and there is clearly something wrong when a quad core with the same architecture gets the same or better results at the same clocks. If it had been at 100% utilization with those results I would say it is a lost cause for AMD, but because of this, I'm hoping it's a screw up on AMD's side (I'm not buying into any "registry fix" just yet though) that will be addressed as soon as humanly possible (should be the #1 priority for them right now to get to the bottom of this). Then again, the 6 core SB-E got disappointing result scaling vs 2500k as well, it could be down to poor threading of Win7/programs in general. While it is still a fail on the power consumption front (until latter revisions at the very least), I'm convinced it will get a lot better with time, just like the Phenom I and hope AMD address the poor threading performance long before Piledriver (which could well be the game changer if this is done).
    
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Can anybody point me to where I can read up on the FX-4100 in specific - namely how well it OC's and stuff. All I've seen is the 8 and 6 core variants, but I'd like to see how the FX-4100 does.
 
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Can anybody point me to where I can read up on the FX-4100 in specific - namely how well it OC's and stuff. All I've seen is the 8 and 6 core variants, but I'd like to see how the FX-4100 does.
That's what I want to know as well. There are reviews of the 4100 and the 4170 which will come out in about 2 months (better revision I think), but no-one has yet to test overclocking on them. I'm hoping they can hit 5.5GHz+ and beyond.
    
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I can already tell you that Win8, will be another Vista.

Microsoft releases 1 good OS, then 1 bad OS, then 1 good OS, then 1 bad... and so on. Microsoft is just like Star Trek movies in this regards; as they always release 1 good film, then 1 bad, then 1 good, then 1 bad, and so on...

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I foresee Win8 as Microsofts first step into the mainstream Mobile Device market and it won't do so well for the average Desktop Gamer; more so for the average Desktop user whose used to the current Windows GUI layout and then suddenly they're forced to relearn it all, all over again with Win8 totally redesigned GUI?

I don't think so!

Windows 7 is just in its prime, many businesses are only just now starting to switch over to it; some are still on windows XP as mine is!

So no...

Bulldozer, will not pick up with Windows 8 because I foresee not many people will rush to upgrade to Windows 8... and the majority of us will want to stick with Windows 7 and Bulldozer will forever be handicapped by that.

Funny, I don't seem to be experiencing any of those things since I've been running Windows 8 the last 2 weeks. I absolutely love the new changes, other than that it's just like W7.
OK guys, I was reading through a another BD review, and as I was going through the benchmarks I started noticing BD really wasn't doing that bad, in fact in several gaming tests it beats the i7. Of coarse the usual Intel favored benches were more of the same, but BD always did better than the 1100T. This review was done by someone who knows his stuff, Gabriel Torres over at Hardware Secrets. You should also read his explanation of HTT 3.0 in another article. Take a look-
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/artic...PU-Review/1402

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/artic...ansport-Bus/19
Edited by Redwoodz - 10/19/11 at 7:01am
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Funny, I don't seem to be experiencing any of those things since I've been running Windows 8 the last 2 weeks. I absolutely love the new changes, other than that it's just like W7.
OK guys, I was reading through a another BD review, and as I was going through the benchmarks I started noticing BD really wasn't doing that bad, in fact in several gaming tests it beats the i7. Of coarse the usual Intel favored benches were more of the same, but BD always did better than the 1100T. This review was done by someone who knows his stuff, Gabriel Torres over at Hardware Secrets. You should also read his explanation of HTT 3.0 in another article. Take a look-
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/artic...PU-Review/1402

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/artic...ansport-Bus/19
If you read the Conclusions in the review you link, you get this:

"We can summarize the AMD FX-8150 in one word: “disappointment.†We expected much more from this eight-core CPU based on the highly anticipated “Bulldozer†architecture.

The FX-8150 was faster than the Core i5-2500K in only a few situations, and the performance difference was not so high as to justify the higher price you will have to pay to bring this new AMD processor home. So, unless you are a die-hard AMD fanboy, we think it is hard to recommend this CPU. The Core i5-2500K is cheaper and provides a higher overall performance, and is the CPU we recommend for the user looking for the best price/performance ratio is the USD 200 - USD 220 price range. And if you really want performance, you can pay a little more and get the Core i7-2600K."
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