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I didn't expect Bulldozer to be amazing, but this is just terribad.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sin0822 View Post
They are overvolting too much
Initial reviews almost always do.

They tend to brute force everything in order to push out an article on time, rather than learning the nuances of the platform/architecture.
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Quick thing guys:

Quote:
Originally Posted by looncraz
Actually, we already have such an issue known for Bulldozer, and NO bench-marked system has the patch installed!

The shared L1 cache is causing cross invalidations across threads so that the prefetch data is incorrect in too many cases and data must be fetched again. The fix is a "simple" memory alignment and (possible)tagging system in the kernel of Windows/Linux.

I reviewed the code for the Linux patch and was astonished by just how little I know of the Linux kernel... lol! In any event, it could easily cost 10% in terms of single threaded performance, possibly more than double that in multi-threaded loads on the same module due to the increased contention and randomness of accesses.

Not sure if ordained reviewers have been given access to the MS patch, but I'd imagine (and hope) so! Last I saw, the Linux kernel patch was still being worked on by AMD (publicly) and Linus was showing some distaste for the method used to address the issue. One comment questioned the performance cost but had received no replies... but you don't go re-working kernel memory mapping for anything less than 5-10%... just not worth it!
Here is some information on the patch for LINUX:
Quote:
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 11:57:45AM -0400, Avi Kivity wrote:
> Out of curiosity, what's the performance impact if the workaround is
> not enabled?

Up to 3% for a CPU-intensive style benchmark, and it can vary highly in
a microbenchmark depending on workload and compiler.
Now, this patch has been taken apart by the linux community for being a very very bad fix, as explained here:
Quote:
Originally Posted by LINUS
Anyway, I seriously think that this patch is completely unacceptable
in this form, and is quite possibly going to break real applications.
Maybe most of the applications that had problems with ASLR only had
trouble with anonymous memory, and the fact that you only do this for
file mappings might mean that it's ok. But I'd be really worried.
Changing address space layout is not a small decision.
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1170744

I just took this from a few posts on another awesome forum:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...64#post4969164
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Han View Post
I am deeply deeply saddened by what AMD has done. They've been non competitive ever since Core 2 Duo came out in 2006, and Bulldozer was suppose to be their savior.

I am not so much pissed about the actual product, but as a technology enthusiast I am deeply saddened such a big microprocessor company is developing such crap offering and poor business execution, not to mention I believe they've just killed their FX-brand. They are not pushing the industry forward, and that is what I am mostly pissed about.

In the past 5 years, AMD has been competing on the price point rather than performance. They have basically established themselves as a 'value brand', not a premium or industry brand. They have failed in every aspect to deliver a competitive CPU.

Mind I remind you Trinity is also gonna be based on Bulldozer + Northern Island core. So you know APU performance is gonna be crap.

AMD can now only compete on Fusion and discrete graphics. But they have not much market share to begin with.

I hope Rory Read does something drastic otherwise AMD is going down.
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Yeah 500 watts on load. People building budget rigs will have to account for spending $40 more on a PSU with some more power.
 
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Yeah 500 watts on load. People building budget rigs will have to account for spending $40 more on a PSU with some more power.

And the dedicated water cooling loop for 250w TDP
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Can I cry??

I'll be switching to Intel or just gonna sell 1 of my 6950's..
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Originally Posted by UNOE View Post
Yeah 500 watts on load. People building budget rigs will have to account for spending $40 more on a PSU with some more power.
The CPUs themselves don't pull 500w, those are whole system figures, usually at the wall.

Also, motherboard VRM is going to be a greater concern than PSU.
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so when is pyledriver coming out?
    
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NB clock cannot go above 2800/2700 on air. I have tried, itll be in my OC guide.

NB clock makes almost no difference. but under LN2 you can bump it upto like 4ghz+ which helps with LN2 benching, which i think is what BD will be good at.
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