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I don't think you can disable a single integer core. Its the whole module or nothing. I would much rather have seen a beastly 4 core with 4 integer 4 FPU unshared resources than a 2 module 4 core, but all chips are the same chip as the 8 cores with modules disabled, but not unlockable.
are you sure? I was under the impression they achieved OC WR by disabling all but 1 core?

anyhow, you could alternatively, but with more hassle, underclock one core per module to minimum and OC the other with AMD overdrive and set CPU affinity accordingly... even if active, a 800Mhz core or lower, if possible, won't hog many FP cycles I suppose and will still boost performance..

heck you could even cherry pick wich core OCs the most and we might end up having people hitting 4C > 5ghz on high end air or water... that's what i'd do!

Really wish someone would test this too bad no one will be actually buying this for a while until AMD drops prices
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I am glad I did not listened to the forum's replies when they told me to wait for BD. I will never do the mistake to wait for any AMD CPU release EVER again. I am sorry but AMD is ages behind. Maybe I will buy a GPU solution in the future but unless a miracle happen which I doubt and they produce a CPU more superior than Intel's maybe I will think about it. But I seriously doubt. And they even failed with their so called good pricing. They really made Intel seem CHEAPER. Unfortunately Intel will stay alone in Desktop CPU business. That's life. Farewell AMD.
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Reading those reviews was painful. I never expected bulldozer to get its rear kicked by AMD's very own previous generation.
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Shockingly, TOMS and ANAND have pretty objective reviews and make sure to touch extensively on aspects where AMD could have done better. It seems that Bulldozer is not really a failure. It is a test where AMD is trying to shift the classical pc way to a more cores = more performance way. I wonder if people will adopt this or keep to what INTEL does.
 
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what makes me sick is that they knew back before june when they delayed it because of the stepping issue, they knew it was bad, and they were like, the B3 chips will be way better.... oh wait....
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I really wondered what went on in the testing department the first time they benchmarked it. They had to know they were toast. Bet that was an unpleasant situation.
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Shockingly, TOMS and ANAND have pretty objective reviews and make sure to touch extensively on aspects where AMD could have done better. It seems that Bulldozer is not really a failure. It is a test where AMD is trying to shift the classical pc way to a more cores = more performance way. I wonder if people will adopt this or keep to what INTEL does.
Except BD doesnt mean more cores = more performance but rather more cores and still less performance than 4 cores of the competition
Most shockingly, even less performance than their own six-core Phenoms in some occasions.

It's ok if AMD is going the "more cores" way but it's completely pointless and unfovarable if you have to drop the IPC for it.

Same IPC, more cores -> sure, why not
Lower IPC, more cores -> no thanks.

AMD did it the wrong way.

A Phenom X8 would have had 8 cores while retaining the same IPC and per-clock performance effectively making it faster than Bulldozer currently is.
Edited by toX0rz - 10/12/11 at 2:08am
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Shockingly, TOMS and ANAND have pretty objective reviews and make sure to touch extensively on aspects where AMD could have done better. It seems that Bulldozer is not really a failure. It is a test where AMD is trying to shift the classical pc way to a more cores = more performance way. I wonder if people will adopt this or keep to what INTEL does.
why would anyone use this new way when the old way is faster and uses less power?

edit: actually about half the power lol.
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Having just read the BitTech review, I can safely say that Bulldozer sucks.

Very glad that I saw the writing on the wall and jumped ship to Intel.
     
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The Guru3D review, as opposed to the HardOCP, blames entirely the software for the poor results. Another AMD intervention, pretty obvious as this is damage limitation yet again. While I agree software is not on par, I do not agree with the fact that Thuban is right there where Bulldozer is. So why the software excuse when the old architecture from AMD does just fine??
The older architecture is nothing like Bulldozer. So whether Phenom II's do fine or not is completely irrelevant.

As for the performance, it's not that bad, I also think some software fixes/patches/updates to Windows scheduler will provide some (albeit very small) boosts. The only thing I find completely unacceptable is the power consumption, especially overclocked.

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I am glad I did not listened to the forum's replies when they told me to wait for BD. I will never do the mistake to wait for any AMD CPU release EVER again. I am sorry but AMD is ages behind. Maybe I will buy a GPU solution in the future but unless a miracle happen which I doubt and they produce a CPU more superior than Intel's maybe I will think about it. But I seriously doubt. And they even failed with their so called good pricing. They really made Intel seem CHEAPER. Unfortunately Intel will stay alone in Desktop CPU business. That's life. Farewell AMD.
I never really understood this kind of ludicrous thinking. What makes you think AMD will never have competitive CPU's ever again?

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if AMD was smart they would drop the prices on these cpus by a lot, then scrap their plans to make any better versions of it, and do a complete redesign, and make the phenom II's 32nm or something or just faster or add more cores to them. Just not this...
No. If AMD were stupid, they would do what you just said.
Edited by GameBoy - 10/12/11 at 2:18am
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