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Anyone buying any 8-core CPU for gaming is downright silly in the head. Your argument is invalid.
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Lets not forget it would need twice the juice to power the system overclocked, and cost more.

I didnt think bulldozer was going to be anything special but this is nothing short of a joke!. Honestly right now i feel sorry for the amd guys who have actually spent money preparing for this
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To be fair Intel has far more money to burn in R&D
that's a lie. AMD recently opened a R&D facility in israhell
They get no pity from. I was hoping they'd make a better product or even close to 2500k and 2600k
But they didn't so screw them and stop making excuses for them
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Exactly. All of these intel fanboys are blah blah blah flop, yet these BD CPUs' are, undeniably, AMD's fastest CPUs ever.

I've been wondering if you guys were also reading the same reviews.


The hell it does. But I suppose it's easier for people to believe that. Although you all might want to take a closer look at [H]'s game testing results. At a 200 MHz lower OC , the BD chip (4600MHz) beat out even the OC'd i7 2600K (4800MHz) in 2 of the 3 games tested.

But I suppose it's easier to jump on the BD bashing bandwagon.


I think you're the one that's only focusing on the negative reviews and synthetic benchmarks that mean about squat in real world performance. Why not look at some realworld testing. How's about this handbrake Video encoding test? It always beats out the 2500K which has a 200MHz higher OC.

Intel has always stuck it to AMD. Intel is and has always been shady. When they decided on resource sharing, intel would always give AMD incomplete or bogus information. While AMD was forthright and honest.



As I said before, it's without a doubt that BD is AMD's fastest CPU to date. You can't deny it. Sure is single threaded apps it's not the greatest, but those are going to go by the wayside.

It also seems that a lot of the reviews contradict each other. In some, it shows BD doing very well against Intel in terms of encoding, and others it shows it performing very poorly.

However, I will say that I believe some of the reviews aren't performed correctly. I mean BD supports 1866MHz RAM, yet, even OC'd (not extreme) they're running it at 1600MHz. Secondly, like the Hardware Canucks review, they're using RipjawsX RAM, which is specifically designed for SB.

There's a lot of inconsistencies, and ways of skewing results. I mean 3 sticks of RAM in one test? Really?

From the most part I can tell, that BD appears to be good for encoding and decent for gaming. It was eluded to in many reviews that Windows 7 and it's scheduler could very well play a big part in BD's poor performance, and it was said that this should be rectified in Windows 8. I also believe that once programs are optimized for it, then BD will show a marked improvement over its current results. Which in all honesty aren't bad, just not as good as some people had hoped.
If what you are saying is right about the possible performance increase then it will be interesting.

I like Hilbert's reviews, I've found him to be more reliable than most, and he does claim that BD is being hampered by software. As another poster mentioned when the A64 was first released it also didn't perform as well as it could have but after a few tweaks it beat anything and everything Intel threw at it. It would be really interesting if we have the same situation here.
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+1

Lets not forget it would need twice the juice to power the system overclocked, and cost more.

I didnt think bulldozer was going to be anything special but this is nothing short of a joke!. Honestly right now i feel sorry for the amd guys who have actually spent money preparing for this
Why according to the results they'll beat your rig.
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This CPU isnt even an upgrade over Phenom's II it seems...
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the key to 'dozer's poor performance lies in this:

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AMD also shared with us that Windows 7 isn't really all that optimized for Bulldozer. Given AMD's unique multi-core module architecture, the OS scheduler needs to know when to place threads on a single module (with shared caches) vs. on separate modules with dedicated caches. Windows 7's scheduler isn't aware of Bulldozer's architecture and as a result sort of places threads wherever it sees fit, regardless of optimal placement.
8150 isn't really a 8-core CPU, it was supposed to be a 4 core but to have something like Intel's hyper threading, just better. But studying computer science I can understand why is it hard to implement.
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that's a lie. AMD recently opened a R&D facility in israhell
YOU WHAT? How the hell did I miss this? I am very disappointed, very disappointed indeed in AMD
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How sad
I had been waiting patiently with dedication and belief that Bulldozer would be a lot more comparable but now I pretty much know for sure that my next build will be Intel with probably a AMD 7000 card.
With the leaks I wasn't expecting it to be all that great but I at least thought it would compete with the 2600k better.
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Mine will come tomorrow although i wonder how much my crosshair v can handle with those tiny 8+2 phase, hopefully will get it up and running with all the watercooling parts in the next 2 days.......

Im not too worry since i knew from the start engineering samples are pretty much 90% of final performance anyways, whoever believe AMD that says final sample will have a huge gain is just silly look back at every chip every made the es chips are exactly or pretty close to final performance.

BTW did anyone notice this year is pretty much a all tech product screw up year? Intel p67 bug >>> iphone 5 hype >>> bulldozer hype >>> x79 cutting back on specs.......
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And this is why I moved to intel..
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