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AMD's recommendations apply to the core temps, not socket temps.

My core temps are 5c above socket temp when at the limits of the chip and 5-10 below if Im not pushing the volts past 1.5.
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My Bios supports disabling APM.....but APM is set at 4ghz.....When I disable it and run prime 95 my workstation locks up....Enabling it again lets me run prime 95 with core 4 giving an error...the rest of the cores chug along.

I'm using coretemp and a side bar gadget to monitor each core.

If what you are telling me is true about my temps actually being a lot higher than what they are then I’m guessing a heat sink should be ordered.

The computer seems to run just fine....I even used handbrake on a DVD and it finished it without problems.....but each core would fluctuate between 88-98% usage....could this be APM kicking in?

I'm watching everything from the "ALL CPU METER" sidebar gadget.

Thanks!

Looks like I hit a thermal wall.....the heat sink is only 35 dollars....I should just try that.

I see a lot of arguing going on about cores and modules, but from what I am seeing? I am coming from a stock core 2 quad Q6600 at 2.4ghz....and my 8120 clocked at 4ghz even with APM running seems to be just about 4 times faster in decoding.
Edited by danimal101 - 11/20/11 at 9:56pm
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My Bios supports disabling APM.....but APM is set at 4ghz.....When I disable it and run prime 95 my workstation locks up....Enabling it again lets me run prime 95 with core 4 giving an error...the rest of the cores chug along.
I'm using coretemp and a side bar gadget to monitor each core.
If what you are telling me is true about my temps actually being a lot higher than what they are then I’m guessing a heat sink should be ordered.
The computer seems to run just fine....I even used handbrake on a DVD and it finished it without problems.....but each core would fluctuate between 88-98% usage....could this be APM kicking in?
I'm watching everything from the "ALL CPU METER" sidebar gadget.
Thanks!
Looks like I hit a thermal wall.....the heat sink is only 35 dollars....I should just try that.
I see a lot of arguing going on about cores and modules, but from what I am seeing? I am coming from a stock core 2 quad Q6600 at 2.4ghz....and my 8120 clocked at 4ghz even with APM running seems to be just about 4 times faster in decoding.

Will be locking up with APM disabled because its not throttling the cores to 2.8ghz every few ms so you would need more voltage to stablise it at the full speed. I wouldnt leave it with one core erroring tho since over time it will cause that core to get even worse.

88-98% sounds more like the program isnt taking advantage of all the cores at full speed. Or it could be but something else is bottle necking (maybe hdd) If APM was playing up it would show 98-100% the whole time since 100% of 2.8ghz is still 100%. And then it would be dropping to 98% when it throttles back to full speed and takes a moment register the useage.

Defantly get a better cooler,
Personally Id recommend at least a antec 920 since you can get very good results from that in its stock form and it should last you longer then the cpu.
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You probably need to boost voltage a bit after you disable APM for the above reasons. Use core-temp to monitor temps and dont let it get over 61C there if its for every day use. (aim for 55c maximum for a 24/7 oc.)

Suicide runs can go up to the low-mid 80c (core-temp) range w/o permanent damage to the chip, but life expectancy will drop a bit depending on how long it is that hot.

The FX-8 series seems to be fine at ~4.4Ghz with ~1.4v on air. (as far as Ive seen and read)
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you are so wrong ...
its 2 core per module
just because it doesnt perform like intel's newest or even amd's past gen doesnt mean its not a complete core or not ...

correct. the bottom line is software considers it as a whole core. it's not like a software/game like starcraft 2 which only supports 2 cores will use two modules which it clearly does not. however you slice it starcraft 2 will only use 1 module or two cores. that's why it sucks in gaming
 
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Then Intel's HT adds a whole core to the cpu? The software/OS just doesnt treat the CMT cores properly due to lack of OS patches.

Do you think an Intel processor magically re-schedules threads to make HT work well? The OS programers have learned to identify HT and schedule around it. Not many people here have been around long enough to remember Windows XP prior to the HT thread scheduler patch. Or even Windows 2000 which AFAIK never got a totally fixed scheduler. Before those patches, HT looked exactly like another physical core to the os and apps.

The truth is, CMT requires a far more advanced scheduler than HT does. It has to determine memory/cache locality of threads and so on.
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however you slice it starcraft 2 will only use 1 module or two cores. that's why it sucks in gaming

This is totally NOT true. You can manually assign threads or processes to specific cores and circumvent the problem.. its just a PITA to do.
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Then Intel's HT adds a whole core to the cpu? The software/OS just doesnt treat the CMT cores properly due to lack of OS patches.
Do you think an Intel processor magically re-schedules threads to make HT work well? The OS programers have learned to identify HT and schedule around it. Not many people here have been around long enough to remember Windows XP prior to the HT thread scheduler patch. Or even Windows 2000 which AFAIK never got a totally fixed scheduler. Before those patches, HT looked exactly like another physical core to the os and apps.
The truth is, CMT requires a far more advanced scheduler than HT does. It has to determine memory/cache locality of threads and so on.
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however you slice it starcraft 2 will only use 1 module or two cores. that's why it sucks in gaming
This is totally NOT true. You can manually assign threads or processes to specific cores and circumvent the problem.. its just a PITA to do.

the bottom line a module has two core with shared resources. with intel if you do single threaded/lightly threadded applications HT will automatically disable and use a whole core/s to make it perform better. with HT one core is dividied into two then there's where the scheduler works to make it more efficient without wasting much resource that's usually idle or waiting when there's no HT. with AMD you can't make the module work as one unit to have better single threaded performance it's still 2 cores however you slice it.

amd had a good idea with the modular design. in principle there shouldn't be much hit in performance at the same time saving space and putting more cores but sadly it didn't happen. I really think something went wrong with the production process not with the architecture itself

at the moment intel is the better choice. they're more versatile cpu's. they are both great with both lightly threaded and heavy threaded software. with amd you have decent multithreaded capability but very poor performance per core. hopefully piledriver fixes this. for me to have an intel rig feels very wrong. I've been an AMD enthusiast for years but bulldozer is really a hard pill to swallow
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the bottom line a module has two core with shared resources. with intel if you do single threaded/lightly threadded applications HT will automatically disable and use a whole core/s to make it perform better. with HT one core is dividied into two then there's where the scheduler works to make it more efficient without wasting much resource that's usually idle or waiting when there's no HT. with AMD you can't make the module work as one unit to have better single threaded performance it's still 2 cores however you slice it.

NO, HT does not auto-disable at all. The OS Schedules around it, end of story.

Ive dealt with HT in servers for 6 years or so, for some workloads its better to simply disable it. There are bios options to do so, because it isnt good for all workloads. This is why the I5-2500k (no HT) is preferred over the i7-2600k (with HT) for gaming. It performs better regardless of a HT setting in the bios, and is cheaper because you wont use HT anyway.

Most AMD boards have the same option, I know my cheap one does. You can disable whole modules, or each modules secondary core.

Even with the early nature of the Windows 8 OS it gives a bit of a boost to Bulldozer chips. It has a more advanced scheduler that can cope with AMD's implementation of multiple threads per core. You can emulate this by manually setting the affinity of your benchmark/game/whatever to cores 0, 2, 4, 6 or 1, 3, 5, 7... It wont be quite as good though. Reason being that some programs do better with multiple threads on one core due to the shared cache, which Windows 8 should be able to determine.
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Hey guys finally got the 8150 installed and running, I'll post a CPU Z later (currently burn testing).

I'm currently 240x18.0 with a 1.34 cpu voltage. I haven't really had OCable CPUs before, so I was wondering if this is good, if I should push for more, or try backing things down. Just got a reading at about 36 GFlops 213 seconds in. I don't have a whole lot of time to devote to this, so if you guys could gimme an idea where to start it would be very helpful biggrin.gif

Running a megahalems rev1 with a single ultra kaze full speed on pull. Thanks guys!
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the bottom line a module has two core with shared resources. with intel if you do single threaded/lightly threadded applications HT will automatically disable and use a whole core/s to make it perform better. with HT one core is dividied into two then there's where the scheduler works to make it more efficient without wasting much resource that's usually idle or waiting when there's no HT. with AMD you can't make the module work as one unit to have better single threaded performance it's still 2 cores however you slice it.
NO, HT does not auto-disable at all. The OS Schedules around it, end of story.
This is why the I5-2500k (no HT) is preferred over the i7-2600k (with HT) for gaming. It performs better regardless of a HT setting in the bios, and is cheaper because you wont use HT anyway.

it actually does. if HT doesn't disable on lightly threaded then you'd have very poor performance(only half performance). it's not perfect though that's why some games perform less with HT enabled

we're getting side tracked. the point I was trying to make is calling bulldozer an 8 core cpu IS correct. it's not only false marketing. you can't call it a 4 core/8 thread cpu because the architecture doesn't work that way
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