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So it's like paying $99 for the cpu, I think that is an awesome deal! use the $20 gift card to get a better after market cooler. Didnt see what you already have already sorry. I think that the 4100 will be a nice little gaming chip to hold you over. The 6200 should be out already but I am not seeing it. Probably not going to be ideal considering its most likely just a clock boost and another $20 or so...
Edit: ok your cpu cooler is not listed but you can either upgrade that as well or I suggest getting atleast 1600mhz CL8/9 RAM to pair with that 4100 if you decide to go that route. Its compatible with 1866 and you could clock it to 1900-2100 with some good RAM
also about the DDR misconception, Stands for Double Data Rate so DDR3 is same as DDR like AMD4ME said. Its just basically higher clocks/frequency and of course more voltages to reach said speeds.

I'm using the Cooler Master GeminII S cooler right now, seems to get the job done. Also I don't think my motherboard likes RAM faster than 1333.

I'd be willing to hold onto the FX 4100 if it gets the job done, which it seems so far that it does. And since it can overclock well, good stuff!
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Well in thta case yes stick with your 1333mhz ram of course. Maybe bump it up to 1400+ area a little and see if you can get nice tight timings. As long as you get a 4.5ghz overclock or so on the 4100 I think you will have a nice gaming cpu. Of course if you get dual gpu's than the story might change but you dont seem like thats gonna be an issue.
    
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to get HT link to 2600 you would have to oc the cpu-nb to 2600 as HTT is capped to the cpu-nb speed on any AM3+ board Ive seen. All lower end FX chips are 2000 cpu-nb stock.
5200 is the data transactions per unit of time, not clockspeed. Im not sure on how it is calculated though. I just remember my Phenom I having 3600-4800 or somesuch. I just think of it like DDR-1, DDR-2, and DDR-3.
DDR-1 is 2x per clock
DDR-2 is 4x per clock
DDR-3 is 8x per clock
Never seen any number correlating to the 5200 and other odd HTT MT/s numbers (in any BIOS) is what Im getting at, as all default to 2000 or 5x200.

Anyone try overclocking the NB past 2200? Seems like my board/bios doesn't like anything over 2200. I did manage to increase it to 2300 and the Open GL score in cinebench increased but wasn't stable for long. It just might be what's holding back dual gpu setups. I can increase HT to 2700 but I'm not sure if it's taking effect because I don't notice much if any difference.
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Ugh, how is this possible? He gets it to 4.6GHz with just 1.368vcore and I barely get 4.1GHz at about 1.476~1.488... #WhyMe? mad.gif

The stock vcore varies widely with the fx chips. From what I have heard the best chips to get are the ones with stock voltage at 1.3-1.35v. If you can exchange it for another one. I did this with newegg twice so I could pick the best out of 3. Turned out the first chip I received was the best. Anyway, exchange it for another one if you can.
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Anyone try overclocking the NB past 2200? Seems like my board/bios doesn't like anything over 2200. I did manage to increase it to 2300 and the Open GL score in cinebench increased but wasn't stable for long. It just might be what's holding back dual gpu setups. I can increase HT to 2700 but I'm not sure if it's taking effect because I don't notice much if any difference.

I have NB at 2500MHz and HT at 2750Mhz with fsb at 250Mhz.
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to get HT link to 2600 you would have to oc the cpu-nb to 2600 as HTT is capped to the cpu-nb speed on any AM3+ board Ive seen. All lower end FX chips are 2000 cpu-nb stock.
5200 is the data transactions per unit of time, not clockspeed. Im not sure on how it is calculated though. I just remember my Phenom I having 3600-4800 or somesuch. I just think of it like DDR-1, DDR-2, and DDR-3.
DDR-1 is 2x per clock
DDR-2 is 4x per clock
DDR-3 is 8x per clock
Never seen any number correlating to the 5200 and other odd HTT MT/s numbers (in any BIOS) is what Im getting at, as all default to 2000 or 5x200.

This is not true about HT link. Most 8-Core FX chips come with cpu/nb at 2200Mhz and HT link at 2700Mhz. When you overclock they both jump to 2200Mhz. I have my system clocked at 4.9GHz cpu, 2000Mhz RAM, 2500Mhz CPU/NB, 2750Mhz HT Link, 250Mhz FSB, x19.5 Multi.

Bulldozer is much different than Phenoms
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This is not true about HT link. Most 8-Core FX chips come with cpu/nb at 2200Mhz and HT link at 2700Mhz. When you overclock they both jump to 2200Mhz. I have my system clocked at 4.9GHz cpu, 2000Mhz RAM, 2500Mhz CPU/NB, 2750Mhz HT Link, 250Mhz FSB, x19.5 Multi.
Bulldozer is much different than Phenoms

Out of all the boards Ive used it always 2000 NB 2000(4000) HT link, even with chips that were supposed to have a higher HTT speed.

FX-4100 is advertised with a 5600mt HTT link, HTT is set at 2000 default, something doesnt match up.
Edited by KarathKasun - 12/27/11 at 3:06pm
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This is not true about HT link. Most 8-Core FX chips come with cpu/nb at 2200Mhz and HT link at 2700Mhz. When you overclock they both jump to 2200Mhz. I have my system clocked at 4.9GHz cpu, 2000Mhz RAM, 2500Mhz CPU/NB, 2750Mhz HT Link, 250Mhz FSB, x19.5 Multi.
Bulldozer is much different than Phenoms

That is a sick base clock. Nice job! thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by KarathKasun View Post

Out of all the boards Ive used it always 2000 NB 2000(4000) HT link, even with chips that were supposed to have a higher HTT speed.
FX-4100 is advertised with a 5600mt HTT link, HTT is set at 2000 default, something doesnt match up.

My NB is stock at 2200 and I'm pretty sure my HT was stock around 2600
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FX-4100 is advertised with a 5600mt HTT link, HTT is set at 2000 default, something doesnt match up.

5600MT/s = 2800MHz HTT Link

but the actual max speed of the HTT Link is 3200MHz(6400MT/s) because they are 3.1 Hypertransport links

They don't match up because the motherboard manufacturers and AMD are sand bagging it because of TDP sky rockets(a.k.a temps go up faster with higher clocks in the logic areas)
(a.k.a Don't overclock AMD FX CPUs)

Also for the DDR subtopic

200MHz(Bus) x 1/2/4(DDR/DDR2/DDR3 frequency multipliers) x 2(Double Data Rate) then some other bits to get the stuff below

PC-3200/PC2-6400/PC3-12800

Are all 200MHz @ DDR speeds....but the frequency multipliers are all different...

DDR 400MHz = DDR2 800MHz = DDR3 1600MHz....

If CAS Latency is 2 for DDR, then to have the same speed you need 4 for DDR2, then for DDR3 you need 8
Edited by Seronx - 12/27/11 at 3:38pm
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That is a sick base clock. Nice job! thumb.gif
My NB is stock at 2200 and I'm pretty sure my HT was stock around 2600

Now that you mentioned it I do think its 2600MHz for the stock HT. I have heard of some people taking fsb up to 270Mhz but I have yet to see it. I personally have not tried to increase the fsb over 250MHz. I have noticed that in the above post that at 4.84GHz getting cinebench score of 7.92 but for me I am getting 7.77. I can easily hit 7.92 with 4.9Ghz clock but not lower. I am trying to see if I can fix this.
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